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Post by joekido on Oct 24, 2012 22:10:42 GMT -5
That article was very much on what I was aiming at. Ill love this show more if CBS learns from the article.
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Post by darksea on Oct 24, 2012 23:33:19 GMT -5
Even if you aren't a swing state, if you happen to have a senator or representative up for election or re-election, you are getting gang banged by election commercials, which is a huge turn-off for any sane person after a while. We have a senate race that has gotten nasty. I was watching NCIS:LA last night, and literally in the entire time, the only CBS promos I saw were for the comedies, and the new shows. The older shows like H-50, CSI (etc.) Criminal Minds, got minimal exposure, and about 50% of the commercials were political ads. It can be a major drag.
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Post by darksea on Oct 24, 2012 23:35:18 GMT -5
That article was very much on what I was aiming at. Ill love this show more if CBS learns from the article. You won't love the show unless they resurrect the original's cast and writers from the dead. |
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Post by sunnyirish08 on Oct 25, 2012 2:10:53 GMT -5
joe, seriously your still watching?  |
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Post by joekido on Oct 25, 2012 4:45:03 GMT -5
That article was very much on what I was aiming at. Ill love this show more if CBS learns from the article. You won't love the show unless they resurrect the original's cast and writers from the dead. You totally missed the entire point but I may be missing the point as well but know what? Whatever okay. If you love the show the way it is, good for you. I like the show too, and no I don't want the show to be a shadow of the original series, it just need to have what the article just said. Now I'm going to drop the entire matter and enjoy the damn show. |
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Post by biochemgeek on Oct 25, 2012 9:13:15 GMT -5
You won't love the show unless they resurrect the original's cast and writers from the dead. You totally missed the entire point but I may be missing the point as well but know what? Whatever okay. If you love the show the way it is, good for you. I like the show too, and no I don't want the show to be a shadow of the original series, it just need to have what the article just said. Now I'm going to drop the entire matter and enjoy the damn show. Joe, I realize it probably feels like you are getting picked on a lot, and obviously you're getting a bit frustrated with us. You'll notice that the author of the article in this thread, even though she criticized several parts of the show, ended her article by listing everything she loved about it. You've told us many times what you don't like about this show. I think it would help everyone on this board, including you, if you could sit down and write out for us all the things you actually DO LIKE about the show. We're all more likely to listen to you if you provide a balanced viewpoint, instead of an exclusively negative viewpoint. |
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Post by joekido on Oct 25, 2012 13:00:07 GMT -5
That's what I'm trying to do.
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Post by trina on Oct 25, 2012 23:16:28 GMT -5
That article was very much on what I was aiming at. Ill love this show more if CBS learns from the article. You won't love the show unless they resurrect the original's cast and writers from the dead. Some of the cast and writers from the original series are still alive. Lenkov should have recruited some of those writers last season. They might have found something to do with Lori. |
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Post by darksea on Oct 25, 2012 23:38:57 GMT -5
Joe, I get the point more than you do, but if you think you are providing a balanced point of view, then honestly, you are out of it. There is not a single person on this board, at this point who believes that you like any aspect of the show, because you have not said anything positive about it since you joined. 221 messages, and maybe 3 messages were positive. That is not balanced. Literally, I have been back just a few days, and all that seems to have changed is that the majority of the board knows exactly when your negativity is going to show up. That is not balanced.
Trina, well no kidding some of the cast (mostly lesser players) and some of the writers (mostly sub writers) are still alive. The point is, the majority of the main players aren't. Duh. Look at the death dates. Why should Lenkov recruit the old writers? They are retired, and so are their storylines. Last time I checked, they did find something to do with Lori, they wrote her right off the show.
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Post by trina on Oct 25, 2012 23:45:32 GMT -5
No, some of them are still working, and their storylines are not retired in the least. May of them teach film and writing courses. I am aware that most of the main cast is dead. I remember when they died and remember reading about it. The point is, there are still are cast members who are alive, even though they were not in major roles.
Last time I checked, Lauren German's got one more episode in her contract with Five-O - unless she's been bought out, and people are still hoping her new show lasts so she won't be back.
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Post by darksea on Oct 25, 2012 23:55:28 GMT -5
Whatever makes you feel fresh, trina. Of the original writers, three are still working in the industry, as writers, as sub writers. The rest are all retired. They are over 60+ years old, and those who teach film and writing courses are retired from the industry. Their storylines are in fact retired, because according to not only union rules, but general contract legalities, if they used the storylines that were used back then, then they are violating their own contracts, and their royalties will be revoked. In about ten more years, they become public domain, but right now, they are dated, (translation: old, past their prime, cliche, etc.)
It's a 40 year old show, the storylines are more than retired. So are the majority of the writers who were in their late 20s, 30s and 40s back then. Do the math. Check imdb. Check the union.
And your point? The fact is, is she on the show right here, right now? No. They did write her off. Her contract can be enacted at anytime, yes, but she won't get permanent player extensions. That ship has long since sailed.
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Post by trina on Oct 26, 2012 0:07:02 GMT -5
Nowhere did I ever say that they should use the same storylines, but I suggested they use those writers to write storylines for the new show. It was a suggestion, that is all. Nothing is going to come of it because the producers aren't reading this and taking everything we say into consideration.
There is nothing dated (old, past their prime, cliche, etc.) about those old storylines, either. The world has changed, as has technology and the way we live, but the core values taught in those stories, as well as the attention to how the police solve crimes and the human conflict the characters experience, is not obsolete. Vietnam and Communism are not current issues anymore, but murder, war, espionage, political corruption, bioterrorism, organized crime, drugs, prostitution, con artists, kidnapping, counterfeiting, bank robberies, and assassinations are still in existence. These were themes used in stories on the original Five-O and they are used in TV shows today.
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Post by darksea on Oct 26, 2012 0:20:27 GMT -5
There is a dramatic difference between "themes" and "storylines". A theme is what a storyline is built from. Writers are given a theme: let's say 'drug deal", and they are charged with writing a storyline around it. "McGarrett and Danno while out on a brodate stumble upon a drug deal that went wrong, as indicated by the discarded body of a young model who also served as a mule."
Your assessment of producers not reading this, is incorrect. Many items are taken into consideration. But honestly, more importantly, there is nothing more annoying than misinformation, followed by arguing of it, especially when it has been noted before that this board is about the new show, and when we are seeing the continual negativity from a few, about the show.
Another portion of information that you are missing is that Lenkov comes up with the ideas, and the writers write to those ideas. Lenkov not only comes up with the themes, he comes up with partial storylines. He himself has admitted this in interviews. Another thing that is being missed is the fact that...uh, yeah, those same themes are in this version of Hawaii Five-o. Murder is most certainly there in every episode. War, drug wars, espionage, political corruption, bioterrorism, orgnized crime, drugs, prostitution, con artists, kidnapping, assassination, bank robberies...all there, represented by the present crew of writers, plus more. The old series writers presented them in accordance to the times, the new series writers are doing the same thing, if the old writers had brought their writing of the time to the modern version, it would be seen as dated, and would have to be updated very similar to the way they are doing it now. McGarrett of old also went above the law. When I first watched Hawaii Five O (original) I knew the result of the story within the first 15 minutes, because writing since has cliched those approaches, and the megalomaniac approach to the larger than life villains were eye-roll inducing.
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 26, 2012 21:46:30 GMT -5
... Nothing is going to come of it because the producers aren't reading this and taking everything we say into consideration.
We know PL visited once and said he liked what he saw. Who's to say he still isn't? Or others from the show who read his comment? Where else would they get intelligent observations? Twitland? IMB-whatever it is? Biased blogs? We know there are visitors visiting this forum daily. Who can say they're not someone from the show? |
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Post by nycgal on Oct 26, 2012 23:43:54 GMT -5
Trina, I apologize, but I have to differ with your view that PL and/or other show related people do not view this board or listen to fan feedback.
And here's why....
Most of the issues that people here and other places (FB and Twitter included) were complaining about and criticizing the show for LY (too much LW, not enough bromance, no ohana feeling, not enough character development, no good story lines for characters other than Steve etc.) have been addressed this season, in spades. Is there still room for improvement?? Of course there is, but you can't expect all the ills from S2 to be fixed/resolved in the first 4 eps of S3. There is a lot of ground to cover and the stories must still move forward.
So just for arguments sake, let's review what has changed/improved.
1. Way more focus and attention has been paid to the Steve & Danny bromance/friendship/relationship. They are most certainly partners this season (at times LY, I seriously questioned whether they were even still partners or even friends) and above all, they are good friends that care about one another. They have consistently been working cases together and even share off duty time together. They are in sync and have each others back professionally and personally. Their bond seems stronger now then ever.
2. The Catherine character has been added as a full time player, but she has not been in every scene or forced down the viewers throat. While we still have many questions concerning the specifics of her Navy status and what her future role will be, TPTB are easing her into the show and making most (but not all) of her involvement with the team plausible. I look forward to a more in depth explanation of her situation and purpose as the season progresses.
3. The whole Chin and death of Malia story line has the potential to be very character revealing for Chin and provide DDK with lots of dramatic opportunities. His "Did You See the Sunrise" moment at the end of ep 301 will most certainly resurface and will hopefully provide even more insight into the under-explored character of Chin Ho Kelly.
4. Kono also has been given a larger, more farther reaching arc in the form of her relationship with Adam which still needs to be more fully explored and developed. Adam and Kono have a bond/chemistry visible by all and will be (I hope) more closely examined and dissected for dramatic effect in upcoming eps.
5. There have been more 'ohana moments' and the core 4 working together as a team moments in the first 4 eps of S3 than in all of the first 15 eps of S2. This has been a huge (and I think positive) shift in the dynamic of the whole show vs S2 and has really gone back to the foundation of what S1 grew out of and was built on.
So here are 5 examples of how the show has changed/improved vs S2. I am not sure these changes would have come to pass if not for the reaction and fan feedback to S2. I now rest my case.....
I can only hope that the ratings continue to improve and that S3 continues in the positive direction it has embarked on so far.
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