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Post by ritter on Sept 29, 2013 15:55:03 GMT -5
Sound mix has been a problem in Hawaii Five-0 for 4 years now. They're too loud. I'm suprised you guys finally noticed it. Anyway despite the flawd I find in this episode I find this episode much enjoyable then the season 3 premeire.
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Post by runner on Sept 29, 2013 16:38:42 GMT -5
You're welcome, CookieJar.
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Post by katlyn520 on Sept 29, 2013 18:02:08 GMT -5
I know it would be soapy-----but at least that way they aren't brothers........ That is even worse than theory about Steve and Wo Fat being brothers, because that would mean that he lost his mom for 20 years and she wasn't even his mom. That would be a big rock to carry for Steve and Doris. I don't even want to think what would Steve do after news like that. Cookiejar, you're welcome;-) I'm going on the theory that Steve and Wo Fat ARE NOT brothers because I still think that was a gentle poke at the fans who've been groaning about that as a possibility. And I so DON'T believe that picture someone posted a link to with the writer's timeline ... I mean, really! Would they honestly let that picture out if it meant something? So my theory ... and I'm sorry if I've actually posted this before but if I did it would have been last season and sometimes I don't even remember what I did last week (just kidding) ... and this is based more on the actors' actual ages than that timeline suggests ... Doris was born in 1950 (based on Christine Lahti's DOB). My scenario is that her father was in the military (maybe even served some time in Korea) but he definitely served some time in Viet Nam during our very early involvement there (early 60's -- I think they were "advisors" with troops coming a bit later). He met and fell in love with Wo Fat's mother (or maybe just met ... no love involved) and he's the father of Wo Fat. Either this woman was married already or her family found someone to marry her when Doris' father left her pregnant and went home to his American family. Wo Fat grew up thinking the man who raised him was his father. I have a whole scenario in mind as to how Doris got close to that family and why she later killed that man but it's a whole fanfic length and that would mean I'd have to write it. That would let all the actors play their actual age and wouldn't make Christine Lahti the mother of a man who's only 14 years younger than her. And it would make Wo Fat Steve's uncle rather than his brother. I'm hoping we're going to find out soon and, honestly, I expect my scenario to be totally wrong. But until we hear otherwise, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! |
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Post by katlyn520 on Sept 29, 2013 18:06:16 GMT -5
Sound mix has been a problem in Hawaii Five-0 for 4 years now. They're too loud. I'm suprised you guys finally noticed it. Anyway despite the flawd I find in this episode I find this episode much enjoyable then the season 3 premeire. Not really finally noticing it ... people have been complaining about it since season 1. What's new is that someone communicated that issue and a reply was received. But noticing ... not new at all. |
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Post by cookiejar on Sept 29, 2013 18:11:18 GMT -5
Katlyn, I thought that might be a possibility, too. That is why I am thinking the DNA results will come back inconclusive - close but not a match.
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Post by Kajtena on Sept 30, 2013 12:20:02 GMT -5
That is even worse than theory about Steve and Wo Fat being brothers, because that would mean that he lost his mom for 20 years and she wasn't even his mom. That would be a big rock to carry for Steve and Doris. I don't even want to think what would Steve do after news like that. Cookiejar, you're welcome;-) I'm going on the theory that Steve and Wo Fat ARE NOT brothers because I still think that was a gentle poke at the fans who've been groaning about that as a possibility. And I so DON'T believe that picture someone posted a link to with the writer's timeline ... I mean, really! Would they honestly let that picture out if it meant something? So my theory ... and I'm sorry if I've actually posted this before but if I did it would have been last season and sometimes I don't even remember what I did last week (just kidding) ... and this is based more on the actors' actual ages than that timeline suggests ... Doris was born in 1950 (based on Christine Lahti's DOB). My scenario is that her father was in the military (maybe even served some time in Korea) but he definitely served some time in Viet Nam during our very early involvement there (early 60's -- I think they were "advisors" with troops coming a bit later). He met and fell in love with Wo Fat's mother (or maybe just met ... no love involved) and he's the father of Wo Fat. Either this woman was married already or her family found someone to marry her when Doris' father left her pregnant and went home to his American family. Wo Fat grew up thinking the man who raised him was his father. I have a whole scenario in mind as to how Doris got close to that family and why she later killed that man but it's a whole fanfic length and that would mean I'd have to write it. That would let all the actors play their actual age and wouldn't make Christine Lahti the mother of a man who's only 14 years younger than her. And it would make Wo Fat Steve's uncle rather than his brother. I'm hoping we're going to find out soon and, honestly, I expect my scenario to be totally wrong. But until we hear otherwise, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Your theory sounds good to me. Wo Fat said, that Steve is not going to like whatever he is going to find out, so there has to be something. Your theory fits better than, the other two and also explains why Doris didn't kill him when sha had a chance. |
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Post by runner on Sept 30, 2013 12:33:51 GMT -5
Sound mix has been a problem in Hawaii Five-0 for 4 years now. They're too loud. I'm suprised you guys finally noticed it. Anyway despite the flawd I find in this episode I find this episode much enjoyable then the season 3 premeire. Not really finally noticing it ... people have been complaining about it since season 1. What's new is that someone communicated that issue and a reply was received. But noticing ... not new at all. Ditto. I was just pleasantly surprised when someone from CBS actually e-mailed me back. |
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Post by debraluv50 on Sept 30, 2013 17:39:21 GMT -5
Hi Cookiejar,
The NLM was after Wo-Fat because he helped 5-0 and that in turn caused 5-0 to go after the dad who was trying to find his kidnapped son. The dad gave McGarrett the information about the terror plot in San Francisco at Fisherman's Wharf on his deathbed. Ultimately, it was Wo-Fat who led 5-0 to the distraught dad. That's why they went after Wo-Fat. There must be an NLM connection at the prison where Wo-Fat was being held.
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Post by cookiejar on Sept 30, 2013 19:15:31 GMT -5
Hi Cookiejar, The NLM was after Wo-Fat because he helped 5-0 and that in turn caused 5-0 to go after the dad who was trying to find his kidnapped son. The dad gave McGarrett the information about the terror plot in San Francisco at Fisherman's Wharf on his deathbed. Ultimately, it was Wo-Fat who led 5-0 to the distraught dad. That's why they went after Wo-Fat. There must be an NLM connection at the prison where Wo-Fat was being held. Thanks! |
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Post by Dannos Dani on Sept 30, 2013 21:31:20 GMT -5
If Steve turns out to be the old Gov's son, how is he going to feel knowing he indirectly caused her death, and might well have killed her himself if she had resisted arrest, and Wo Fat hadn't been there?
If he really was her son, would she have told him? Or would she have wanted to keep this from Wo Fat? But wouldn't Wo Fat know?
And the question I keep circling back to is why Demented Doris didn't shoot Wo Fat. Is it only because she feels guilty that she killed his father? Seems weak. Because they used to work together? But he turned bad so she shouldn't feel bad at apprehending him. The only reason that seems to fit is that he is her son.
I would be happy if the whole son thing turns out to be a red herring. It would show some real clever thinking on PL's (or some writer's) part.
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Post by davilarose on Sept 30, 2013 22:05:28 GMT -5
If Steve turns out to be the old Gov's son, how is he going to feel knowing he indirectly caused her death, and might well have killed her himself if she had resisted arrest, and Wo Fat hadn't been there? If he really was her son, would she have told him? Or would she have wanted to keep this from Wo Fat? But wouldn't Wo Fat know? And the question I keep circling back to is why Demented Doris didn't shoot Wo Fat. Is it only because she feels guilty that she killed his father? Seems weak. Because they used to work together? But he turned bad so she shouldn't feel bad at apprehending him. The only reason that seems to fit is that he is her son. I would be happy if the whole son thing turns out to be a red herring. It would show some real clever thinking on PL's (or some writer's) part. I know---my theory has so many holes in it....I hope the whole son thing goes away. It won't....but if the DNA test proves to be inconclusive...that will be frustrating too. I just don't want this to take most of the season to figure out. |
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 1, 2013 1:50:43 GMT -5
If Steve turns out to be the old Gov's son, how is he going to feel knowing he indirectly caused her death, and might well have killed her himself if she had resisted arrest, and Wo Fat hadn't been there? If he really was her son, would she have told him? Or would she have wanted to keep this from Wo Fat? But wouldn't Wo Fat know? And the question I keep circling back to is why Demented Doris didn't shoot Wo Fat. Is it only because she feels guilty that she killed his father? Seems weak. Because they used to work together? But he turned bad so she shouldn't feel bad at apprehending him. The only reason that seems to fit is that he is her son. I would be happy if the whole son thing turns out to be a red herring. It would show some real clever thinking on PL's (or some writer's) part. I know---my theory has so many holes in it....I hope the whole son thing goes away. It won't....but if the DNA test proves to be inconclusive...that will be frustrating too. I just don't want this to take most of the season to figure out. I think I'm like that little puppy that just won't let go of that sock, even to the point of being dragged around like a mop on the kitchen floor. I can't let go of the actors' real ages. Would they want to convince us that Wo Fat is actually younger than Mark Dacascos is? Or would they want to insult Christine Lahti by suggesting that Doris is older than Christine is? OR ... if they really want to go with that storyline, would they really make her his mother, at their actual ages, so she was only 14 when he was born? Suppose they DID choose to do that? That would actually be a good motive for her wanting to kill Wo Fat's father. What if Wo Fat was the product of rape (don't know if this board has a censored word list and if that's on the list but, even if it is, I'm guessing y'all can figure where I'm going from the context)? What if somehow WF did actually know her when he was very young but for some reason she disappeared from his life ... but she disappeared with a burning desire to come back at some time and kill WF's father? And suppose WF's birth name wasn't Wo Fat but something else? I know I've suggested this before as the reason they didn't shoot each other in the safe house ... but let's say he knows that "Shelburne" killed his father (hence, he wants to kill Shelburne) and she knows that a mysterious someone named "Wo Fat" wants to kill her for killing his father (and certainly she's killed more than one person in her past) ... then they come face-to-face and he remembers that person from his childhood and she recognizes Wo Fat as the son she's managed to get a picture of now and then and they both let the other go. Seriously, I'm not going to let go of their actual ages ... but that is about the only way I could accept that Doris is Wo Fat's mother. HOWEVER ... I still can't see them going that direction (I prefer my uncle scenario if there has to be a familial relationship). If Steve and Wo Fat are brothers, what will that do to Steve's motivation to go after him? A lot of angst, for sure ... he killed my father but oh, yeah, he's my brother ... woe is me, what am I going to do? But that's not H5-0. It's an action show with a little bit of angst; not an angsty show with a little bit of action. I just can't see Steve relentlessly going after his own brother and that would be the end of Wo Fat as an enemy. |
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Post by runner on Oct 1, 2013 8:26:25 GMT -5
As long as they aren't half-brothers, PL can poke fun at us all he wants, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 1, 2013 20:22:29 GMT -5
As long as they aren't half-brothers, PL can poke fun at us all he wants, as far as I'm concerned. It would be almost funny if it turns out that Dementoid Doris IS WTFWF's mom, but not Steve's. And in that case, unless it's a total unknown woman, the old Gov is actually a good possibility. But not with Joe - with McG Sr. Of course this leads into a "As the Spam Turns" soap opera of a weird marriage where the super spy adopts her husband's kid by another woman and passes him off as her own, God knows why, but it does make for a wonderful comic book. This season's finale could then be "Are you my mother?" with Steve as the hapless chick in search of his mommy. |
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Post by booklover on Oct 1, 2013 22:00:41 GMT -5
The Good: • The episodes that are mostly action, doing things that are unrealistic and pure entertainment, are my favorite. This ep is in the favorite list for me (still below Hookman). • Loved Superman. • Some classic Danny/Steve moments. Danny whining at Steve while he was doing CPR…priceless. Scott plays that role so well. • So nice to see Chin in a primary scene. Although an interesting twist when they surrendered, I was a little disappointed that Chin wasn’t used as the hero. Forever grateful than Catherine didn’t storm through the doors with a machine gun. • “Whoa”Fat is one of my favorite characters outside of the Core4 (McG, Danny, Chin, Kono)…I don’t really care how the story unfolds because I watch the show for the scenery  ...I just hope Mark stays around. WoFat and Steve as brothers? “Whoa” and “Whoa”est….I can see the gene connection. • Will miss Kono…hoping for a quick return. • Adding Chi McBride may work well as long as he’s not too much of a tightass like Gov II. McG is at his very best when pissed…so if this character pisses off McG…I absolutely love him. The Bad/Ugly: • Never been a Catherine fan. But the good news…once recorded the fast forward button is so wonderful. • Nothing else for this section for this episode. Friday nights might be rough for the show. I don’t care for the pre/post shows around H5O…but maybe others will. I hope it does well. Blondie-lana Not a Catherine fan either. It really bugged me when after Steve rescued her and the gang went after the bad guys and started shooted, there was Catherine with a machine gun or whatever kind it was, right there shooting too. I know that she's a navy intelligence officer, but she's still a civilian not a cop and shouldn't be involved in any gunfight. After re-watching season 1, she seems to me more of an intrusion then anything else. She was fine with 2 or 3 appearances a season like the first 2 seasons, but doesn't really work for me as a regular. Just my opinion. It's like everything else: you can't please everyone, no matter what. |
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...I just hope Mark stays around. WoFat and Steve as brothers? “Whoa” and “Whoa”est….I can see the gene connection. 
