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Post by darksea on Dec 11, 2012 1:17:28 GMT -5
Ok, so I am noting a recurring theme, as are others, that SuperSEAL has gone soft, domestic, and is letting the bad dudes get the best of him.
In just this most recent episode, Tom Arnold's bad guy of all people basically takes Steve hostage along with a little girl. I know the logical reason for this would be to find out what was so big that he would take on a badass cop, and to protect the little girl. Real reason: it would have been a real short show. Altogether, it is just another larger indication of the softening of Steve.
I don't like it. I have no problem standing up and saying such. Anybody else want to discuss this plot worm?
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Post by davilarose on Dec 11, 2012 10:02:36 GMT -5
Yeah-SuperSeal seems to be MIA. Of course, if he went bad ass on Ron last night the story would have ended before it began...but still, a couple of moves would have been nice. And that makes what--4 times Steve has been taken hostage, snuck up on or neutralized this season---just seems like the Steve we knew and loved is gone.....
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Post by emme on Dec 11, 2012 12:33:14 GMT -5
I completely agree. I have noticed that the kickbutt and take names attitude is not as prevelant as it used to be. One of the reasons I started to watch the show was to see the good guys take down the bad guys in a strong manner. I agree with the assessment for last night's show that the plot would have come to an end if Steve would have taken out Ron right away, however, I can think of several different ways the story could have spun from that, including an encounter with Ron's partner that could have added more drama earlier into the storyline. I hope that this trend turns around very soon or it will become very boring.
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Post by hawaiifive02012 on Dec 11, 2012 12:43:12 GMT -5
He did dis-arm the perp last night...and then he tripped into the creek? wth? I'm ready for superSEAL to come back. Hopefully we'll get some good superSEAL moments in the back half of this season.
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Post by cookiejar on Dec 11, 2012 15:46:08 GMT -5
Steve has softened but in my opinion that seems to make sense since he is not on active duty. This is the real world where he can't go all navy SEAL all the time. He is about 3 years removed from his active duty so I would expect changes.
Didn't think he would go after Ron with all those little girls there. It made sense to me that he would be hesitant because he wanted to protect them.
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Post by runner on Dec 11, 2012 16:28:14 GMT -5
I understand Steve's not wanting to take actions that could get Lucy hurt, but after she was in hiding,... why wasn't Steve in SEAL mode an waiting for the guy? Like when he took down that perp with the flying tree log, kind of thing. Although it was a good scenario for Danny at the end, it made Steve looked weak and defensiveless.
I'm not really one for gratuitous violence, but it was the rooftop and shark cage moments that made S1 so great and Steve the Super SEAL we love. Plus, it was the fodder for carguments and bromance moments that made HF-0 so great.
We need that back!
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Post by Leni on Dec 11, 2012 17:40:50 GMT -5
My theory: They are softening up Steve so when he falls, he will fall hard and them BaM, back to the hardcore, take risks and death wish superSEAL. We are all waiting for the big betrayal from mom, and we already saw Cath keeping secrets from him. All this will eventually come out. He will feel as if he can't trust anyone.He will feel that he was betrayed by those he cares about the most. Maybe even Danny will do something that he'll feel betrays his trust in him. He will put his walls back up and take his aggression out on every criminal who dares cross his path. Then slowely we will see the walls come down depending on the circumstance.
Like I said, this is just my theory.
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Post by debraluv50 on Dec 11, 2012 17:58:34 GMT -5
Leni, I think you are right.
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Post by booklover on Dec 11, 2012 18:31:01 GMT -5
A Steve full of angst was a much more fun Steve. I agree with the others; I really prefer Season 1 Steve than this diluted version of Season 3. I miss the crazy antics.
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Post by biochemgeek on Dec 11, 2012 18:41:08 GMT -5
I see two things contributing to the gradual change in Steve.
1. The writers want to explore a specific scenario, e.g. Stranding Steve and Danny in a dinghy for an epic boatgument, or isolating him in a forest with a psycho and a little girl he has to protect. Both interesting scenarios, but the producing team subsequently dropped the ball by not coming up with believable means of achieving those scenarios. So the problem is a lack of creativity in the writing/directing/producing departments.
2. Efforts have been made to give the other cast members more kickass moments. Danny in particular has been given more action to do in both S2 and S3, but Kono has had a fair amount of action time as well. Catherine and Chin the least, but still each had a little moment to be BAMF. The trouble is, if the writers don't want to increase the action/violence content of the show, then by spreading the wealth around like this, Steve ends up getting less to do. This is less of a problem for me than issue #1, because I do like seeing the coolness factor spread around to all of the team, and it also isn't a direct contradiction in Steve's character. It never comes across as if he can't handle the bad guys, he's just secure enough in his skills and his team's skills to let them carry some of the load.
Just my 2 cents, for whatever they're worth.
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Post by runner on Dec 11, 2012 19:19:40 GMT -5
My theory: They are softening up Steve so when he falls, he will fall hard and them BaM, back to the hardcore, take risks and death wish superSEAL. We are all waiting for the big betrayal from mom, and we already saw Cath keeping secrets from him. All this will eventually come out. He will feel as if he can't trust anyone.He will feel that he was betrayed by those he cares about the most. Maybe even Danny will do something that he'll feel betrays his trust in him. He will put his walls back up and take his aggression out on every criminal who dares cross his path. Then slowely we will see the walls come down depending on the circumstance. Like I said, this is just my theory. I like your theory, ircam. Whatever it takes to get Steve back to his original Super SEALness is all that matters. And Petey had better not make this take forever, either, or he'll bore us to death in the process. |
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Post by joekido on Dec 11, 2012 19:28:45 GMT -5
I think the producers are trying to humanize him but by turning him into an wuss? Wrong way to do it man.
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Post by darksea on Dec 11, 2012 23:13:18 GMT -5
My theory: They are softening up Steve so when he falls, he will fall hard and them BaM, back to the hardcore, take risks and death wish superSEAL. We are all waiting for the big betrayal from mom, and we already saw Cath keeping secrets from him. All this will eventually come out. He will feel as if he can't trust anyone.He will feel that he was betrayed by those he cares about the most. Maybe even Danny will do something that he'll feel betrays his trust in him. He will put his walls back up and take his aggression out on every criminal who dares cross his path. Then slowely we will see the walls come down depending on the circumstance. Like I said, this is just my theory. I like your theory, ircam. Whatever it takes to get Steve back to his original Super SEALness is all that matters. And Petey had better not make this take forever, either, or he'll bore us to death in the process. I like the theory, just wish it could be the case. Petey likes to take things sloooow. And sometimes forgets to end the storyline.  |
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Post by beadmeup on Dec 12, 2012 0:15:56 GMT -5
I think in S1, Steve was more of a 'lone wolf' - both parents gone and his sister somewhat distant. He has kind of come a long way in that the 5-0 team became his family. And now his mom is back in the picture and, for whatever reason, Catherine is around a lot more. All of this makes his life more 'normal' and 'comfortable'. The bad guys this season are no longer 'personal' bad guys to him (going after the persons responsible for killing his parents). A previous post mentioned that perhaps coming down the road are personal betrayals that might bring back the fighter in Steve. While it's nice to see him smile in every episode it was more of a thrill in S1 when he had a reason to smile about something because his life was darker then. It was a real treat for us.
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Post by sanmars on Dec 12, 2012 13:46:56 GMT -5
I have to say I agree with you all. My thought is PL may be setting up the finale of S3 inwhich we may not like what he does to Steve.
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