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Post by mandyblue on Nov 9, 2014 12:40:56 GMT -5
From Larry Teng just put this photo up of what a shot lists look like for filming. This is for some of the interrogation room. Make the photo bigger and you can read what it say's
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Post by mandyblue on Nov 9, 2014 12:48:53 GMT -5
Larry has been talking about the episode Larry Teng @larryteng · 46 mins 46 minutes ago If you look closely, Alex is wearing special dilated contact lenses for the drug effect. That was his idea  #H50100 Larry Teng @larryteng · 56 mins 56 minutes ago Also shot much of the interrogation room scenes together for the same reason, to help Alex's perf. It was exhausting but worth it #H50100 Larry Teng @larryteng · 27m 27 minutes ago Alex asked to not see the cast until we shot the CU on this scene when's he's being saved so his reaction was as pure as possible. #H50100 |
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Post by mandyblue on Nov 9, 2014 12:54:13 GMT -5
Larry Teng @larryteng · 1 hr 1 hour ago
Scotty was incredible in this hospital scene. A wide range of choices some more sadistic than others. "Bono" was another adlib #H50100
Larry Teng @larryteng · 35m 35 minutes ago
This fight was epic. Exhausting. @plenkov fought to have the water playing throughout and I think it makes the scene come alive. #H50100
Larry Teng @larryteng · 1 hr 1 hour ago
Scotty's adlib "Isn't that right Duke?" #H50100
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Post by mandyblue on Nov 9, 2014 13:01:38 GMT -5
Larry Teng @larryteng · 1 hr 1 hour ago
I didn't show Alex the home movie until we rolled the closeup to get the purest reax possible. #H50100
Larry Teng @larryteng · 1 hr 1 hour ago
White room scenes were shot continuously so Alex could get a better arc for his perf. #H50100
Larry Teng @larryteng · 1 hr 1 hour ago
Not gonna lie, watched a bunch of CoverGirl commercials on YouTube for the Surf Kiss vid #H50100
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Post by cookiejar on Nov 9, 2014 18:59:39 GMT -5
Been thinking about how at the end of the episode Steve shot WoFat. It would have been awesome to have Doris find them and she shoot WoFat letting Steve know she loves him more. Or maybe when the crime scene is analyzed they find out that Steve never actually shot WoFat, that the bullet came from another gun and then Steve realizes it was his mother that killed WoFat.
Think they could have incorporated Doris into this and in addition redeemed her as well.
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Post by Dannos Dani on Nov 9, 2014 19:12:38 GMT -5
What I'd like to know is, with Wo Fat dead, will we ever find out why he killed the Jonas kid's character to save Grover's daughter? (I think that's how it went down). Because that was bizarre. There was no reason for Wo Fat to have been there, nor should he care about Grover's kid, Doris wasn't in danger.... so the only reason would be that the Jonas kid had some tie to Wo Fat.
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 9, 2014 19:39:23 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the episode. Would like to see Doris back now that Steve knows the whole story. I wonder if Doris is going after WoFat's dad now. I know there was an episode where we saw on tape Steve's dad meeting WoFat in Jameson's office. I wonder if he knew about his wife adopting WoFat as a child. There is more to the story of Steve's dad, Joe White and Doris. I kind of want it answered. I think Wo Fat was right, though, that if Doris had known where his father was, she'd have told him. I don't think I've ever heard them mention that the U.S. was holding him somewhere but I guess that would make sense if Doris was able to raise Wo Fat. Certainly the man she'd tried to kill but whose wife was killed instead, wouldn't have turned his son over to the woman who killed the boy's mother. But if Doris doesn't know where Wo Fat's father is, she can't go after him. I was actually wondering some of the same things you were about Steve's father and Wo Fat. Given the age difference between WF and Steve, I think that whole thing had to be before Doris even met John and I don't think she told him much about her past so I'm thinking John didn't know about the link between Doris and WF. As for the meeting in Jameson's office, I was thinking that maybe that's what started John's investigation of the Governor. Maybe he was aware of WF and his criminal background and when he happened to be included in that meeting (which we'll probably never really find out about since all the participants are now dead), it made him realize that the Governor might be mixed up in things she didn't want to be mixed up in. And through his investigation, maybe he realized she was a willing partner in whatever WF was doing. When you think about it, they actually DID take care of the Champ box because regardless of what's in there, who cares now? Wo Fat and the Governor are both dead. Clearly with a key to a cabinet / writing desk / whatever it was, in her office, there were clues pointing to her. The references to Shelburne are news from a couple seasons back. And anything Wo Fat related sorta does mean anything now with him dead. It's actually a pretty ingenious was of getting out of having to break every single clue down to something related to one of them. And it lets them start fresh with another story arc that doesn't play off that long-running mystery. |
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 9, 2014 19:45:37 GMT -5
What I'd like to know is, with Wo Fat dead, will we ever find out why he killed the Jonas kid's character to save Grover's daughter? (I think that's how it went down). Because that was bizarre. There was no reason for Wo Fat to have been there, nor should he care about Grover's kid, Doris wasn't in danger.... so the only reason would be that the Jonas kid had some tie to Wo Fat. He didn't actually do it to save Grover's daughter except in the sense that she was a safe way to send a message to Steve saying they needed to talk. I agree that there was no reason for Wo Fat to be there from the perspective of "how did he even know that was going on" but maybe that's supposed to be part of the mystery of Wo Fat; he knew things you wouldn't expect him to know. But I just saw that as a way to get a message to Steve without giving clues to his whereabouts. Now it seems that what he wanted to talk to him about was where his father was. But then I imagined that it was only to talk about Doris. |
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 9, 2014 20:20:06 GMT -5
Been thinking about how at the end of the episode Steve shot WoFat. It would have been awesome to have Doris find them and she shoot WoFat letting Steve know she loves him more. Or maybe when the crime scene is analyzed they find out that Steve never actually shot WoFat, that the bullet came from another gun and then Steve realizes it was his mother that killed WoFat. Think they could have incorporated Doris into this and in addition redeemed her as well. I'm not sure I'd have wanted Doris to be redeemed. I don't have an issue with her trying to raise Wo Fat after she killed his mother. By the timeline, it had to be well before she had kids of her own so I don't have a problem with that. But faking her own death is still something I don't really get. I don't think she's really given a good explanation for why she did that. And I'm not sure she should be forgiven for that. Allowing Wo Fat to escape when she had the chance to shoot him seems pretty self-serving as I'm thinking she didn't want him to spill her secrets. Clearly, he didn't know she was Shelburne because he was there to kill Shelburne. Imagine his surprise to find out that the woman who partly raised him was Shelburne, who'd killed his mother. To me that says Doris didn't just cut the ties; they took Wo Fat away from her and I'm presuming she immediately started the new phase of her life as Mrs. John McGarrett ... but they had to have kept in touch somehow because what are the chances that a very young child would still recognize someone who raised him when he was young? Doris must have known that Wo Fat was the child she'd raised (unless he changed his name ... and then how did she recognize a small child as the now grown man). If she DID know that Wo Fat was that child, she asked for a gun so I would take that to mean she planned to shoot first because whatever she knew about him as a child, well, as an adult we know, for sure, that she knew he wanted to kill Steve (even though he said if he'd wanted to kill Steve he'd have done it long ago ... not sure I believe that ... too much evidence to the contrary and I think he was trying to save face since he hadn't been able to get the job done). But then she let him go ... choosing to let him escape and risking the chance that he was going to come back and kill Steve. As for killing Wo Fat, if anyone else had killed Wo Fat, I would have preferred to see it be another member of 5-0. I don't think, with Doris' visits to prison to see Wo Fat and letting him go when she had the chance to kill him, that she could convince Steve of anything right now. If I were Steve, I think I'd be suspicious that she killed him to keep him from telling her secrets and not because she was trying to prove that she loved me more. I know that would be the fairy tale ending ... see, my own flesh and blood, I love you more ... but Doris only loves one person and that's herself. In fact, if they do bring her back at some point, I can see her being angry that Steve killed him. 'Well, Doris, it was him or me. Do you want me to wait while you flip a coin to see if you think I was right or wrong?' I'm glad it was Steve because he was revenging his father's death. I don't think at that point Doris loving one of them more or less was on Steve's mind. |
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Post by ritter on Nov 9, 2014 22:26:00 GMT -5
* This episode is vaguely smilier to the classic series season 9 premier "Nine Dragons" where McGarrett was kidnapped in Hong Kong and was put through behavioral modification through stress that transform him to a near-robot denouncing his country. and the series finale of season 12 'Woe to Wo Fat" where he has his prisoners subject to a gas that resist their will. Here, Wo Fat kidnapped McGarrett and took him to a dry cleaning factory where Wo Fat purchased many years ago under the alias Anthony Stu, tortures him through behavioral engineering by water boarding, teaser-like electric stimulation and injecting various of chemicals including a truth surem. Then after that he would go to a room where he would watch videos of his younger days and his mother's supposed accident. Why is he's doing this? So he can have McGarrett tell him where Wo Fat's father is but Steve does not know where he is. Everytime he says this Wo Fat re-do the torture cycle again. He did this two times with the help of Eris who attempt to feed him and gives him to knock-out drugs. Before she injects him with the third drug, Steve uses his head to bash her, broke one of his hands free and got into a fight with her. Despite all the fighting noise Wo Fat did not hear it. Before Wo Fat arrives, Steve has the dead Eris sitting in front of him with Steve pretending to be knocked out, did not notice any fighting damage (but that's not important). Steve by water-shocking him and the fight begin, the fight ended with 2 of them pointing their guns at each other they both took a shot. Steve manage to blow his brains out while Wo Fat glazed him.
* How did Doris find time to raise Wo Fat after killing his mother?
* The AU was funny. Danny loves Hawaii and is a Honolulu police officer and is happily married. Steve dad was not dead; Victor was shot before he can do it. But when they took him away he doesn't look wounded and ended up in a hospital. Kamekona was in prison, he sports a tattoo and a mustache. Steve is still in a Navy, we briefly saw Jenna looking for her fiancée. Jerry is a homeless conspiracy freak. Kono does the commercial for the lip balm. Chin is still commander of HPD. Grover was an annoyed tourist who got his golf clubs stolen. Wo Fat on the other hand, since the AU is suppose to take place before the accident, why is he's still scarred up?
* Sang Min returns. He was last seen escaping prison and was never found, he was then found again by the Hawaii Five-O. He helped by going in the warehouse to Johnny. Johnny does not bother to look outside and it's after Sang Min gave him fake money did he get ambushed. After this Danno receive a call, they went to the location where McGarrett was kidnapped. They found blood in his car. They figured Wo Fat kidnapped him so with the help of Adam who provided a location where Steve is in, they raided the factory, after the shoot-out, they reached the room where Steve is being tortured at and found Steve alive and Wo Fat, whom in the Original series survived for 12 years is dead, dead as Lenkov confirms it. I was expecting him to last until the series finale. Oh well.
* I wonder if Wo Fat's father is gonna appear and what his name gonna be?
* The music was mostly good, including the end with usual noises. the camera shakes at the beginning. And Alex did a good job acting towards the torture. And I laugh at the reverse role of Steve and Danno.
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 9, 2014 23:23:40 GMT -5
* How did Doris find time to raise Wo Fat after killing his mother? I think, from the ages of Steve and Wo Fat that Doris probably only raised Wo Fat for a relatively short period of time. It had to be before she met John McGarrett because Wo Fat is older than Steve. I saw someone on another site who asked how Steve would feel when he thought about his mother abandoning them to raise Wo Fat but if that scenario were true, then Wo Fat would be about 15 years younger than Steve. And I believe the timeline put him 7 years older than Steve (but I could be wrong ... there's a photo of a writer's timeline somewhere that mentions Steve's and Wo Fat's births and I'm not sure I got them right). So the way the CIA guy told it, Doris sort of skipped out after she botched the assassination of Wo Fat's father and killed his mother instead; he said Doris left him to clean up the mess which is probably why WF's mother was just buried out in the middle of a field somewhere. So if those ages are to be taken as part of the real timeline they're using (and not just an image to play with our minds), Doris could have kinda checked out after killing WF's mother and somehow taken him in to raise. If it's true that Wo Fat's father is imprisoned by the U.S. somewhere, there would have been no one to stop her from doing that. But she'd only have been able to raise him for about 5-6 years if she made it to Hawaii and married John and had Steve about 7 years after Wo Fat was born (someone tell me if I have that number right). At any rate, she would have had to do it before she ever married John and had Steve and since she's never really mentioned any other "jobs" that she did for the CIA, I could see that they'd want us to imagine that she checked out for a while and tried to do some good for Wo Fat after taking his mother from him. Personally, I love Christine Lahti as an actress and it must mean something that I really don't like the character of Doris. She's done a very good job of making her sound apathetic to what others have gone through and very me-first in her attitude. |
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Post by binda23 on Nov 11, 2014 8:24:57 GMT -5
Ugh-I had plans Friday night and planned to watch this episode via ON-Demand (FIOS) and the episode is still not posted. Usually they are up in a day or 2. I went on the CBS website and it said I need to subscribe to CBS-All Access to watch it. What I need to invest in I guess is a DVR....SO Upset.....and doesn't this affect the ratings?(Obviously not just me but all the people who planned to watch it on-demand)
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Post by jackiee on Nov 11, 2014 10:55:10 GMT -5
I have been waiting to see it again on demand. It was just posted.
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Post by northernspirit on Nov 11, 2014 12:55:50 GMT -5
Had to watch a second time to process all that happened in this incredibly complex episode!
According to my notes since S1, the timeline I have is: 1970s - Doris was CIA working black ops, killed Wo-Fat's mother and raised him for a few years. 1975/6 - Steve is born so Doris must have given up WoFat and married John sometime before this. 1990 - Doris fakes death, Steve is 15/16 (depending on which line is correct from two different episodes). 2010 - John is shot and Doris has been dead for 20 years. My calculations based on working backwards from info given over the years, please feel free to correct/adjust if I'm off base, or at least it is approximate enough for what we know.
I've said all along that PL had a master plan (at least for the big parts) from day 1, he has been amazing at carrying most details along from year to year. I personally haven't minded the slow roll-out of answers/information, as it keeps me interested in where it is going and what does it all mean. Loved the little details in the flashbacks that only us loyal fans would catch: Jenna Kaye had her cross necklace on (that Steve or Danny took off her body) and the reference to her fiancé's bicycle accident leading to the metal pins in his knee that she digs out of his dead body to give to Steve so he can free himself in 2.10. Was the car that Danny was driving in the flashbacks his (or similar to) the original silver Camaro? Kamekona wanting fresh shrimp in prison. Danny mentioning 9-11 and being in NY for why he hates terrorists so much/to justify shooting Victor in the hospital, referencing that Danny flashback episode. Malia buzzing around in the hospital would have been a nice inclusion to reference her in the past.
I want more of Sang-Min, he's always been one of my favorites. Would have liked to see Joe White in the video montage at the end.
How could the Champ Box be continued moving forward? As it was to introduce Ellie - clearly everything Papa saved in the box had meaning, bits and pieces could continue to come out that are somehow relevant today or through flashbacks again - but only occasionally and in small doses - also a way for Steve to feel connected to his father.
So glad we have a few more years left to enjoy, but this episode could have been the SERIES finale - hero triumphs over villain, team reunited and all appears to be well, flashbacks to past years.
Wonderful episode, kudos to all involved in making it so amazing!
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Post by binda23 on Nov 11, 2014 14:18:54 GMT -5
I have been waiting to see it again on demand. It was just posted. Thank you! I'll put my 2 Cents in once I am done watching...I cant wait! |
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