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Post by twassbrake on Sept 22, 2011 10:13:29 GMT -5
Actually when you have asthma, the high humidity is better for you, the sea climate can actually help constrict your airwaves, because salt is highly aggressive when breathed into your lung tract. I really hate to contradict you, twassbrake, but I live at 7800 feet above sea level, and dust mites most certainly survive that high up, as do pollen polluting plants, add to the fact that the oxygen is thinner up here, and you have allergy sufferers, still. As a matter of fact, mountain communities have a higher per capita allergy sufferage than those closer to sea level. I have life threatening allergies, have spent a good amount of my life visiting Ear, Nose and Throat specialists. For one, maybe the conversions are a little off, (generally glaciers are located at the 10,000 ft and above mark) and for another, you probably breathed better because you were on vacation, relaxing, and taking your mind off of it. It is actually a pretty hard core scientific point that one of the major cures for allergies is mind over matter. I think we are going to disagree here Darksea. I have asthma and my fair share of allergies too and spend an obscene amount of time at my allergy specialist. First of, high humidity with the high temperatures like in Hawaii is bad for asthma. That's why you shouldn't sauna when having asthma. Second, the salty air at the sea is helping because it open up your bronchs. That's why doctors send people to vacate at the sea if they have breathing issues. Don't know about the percentages of allergy sufferers, but dust mites are definitely less survivable up from 4900 ft (1500 m), as are most of the pollen polluting plants as the rest of the world knows them. Yes, the air is thinner that high up, but that is why you recuperate on those trekkings below 4900 ft. You just make tours up higher every day. You are not sleeping up that high. That would be bad if you are not used to it. And glacier do exist lower than 10.000 ft, I should know. I was there. Grindelwald region, Swiss Alpes, about 8000-9000 feet.
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Post by Diana on Sept 22, 2011 10:28:29 GMT -5
Umm, maybe we should take this discussion over to the off-topic lounge?? And, just for the record a lot of what is good or bad for allergies and asthma depends on what the individual is allergic to and what sets off the asthma for them individually. Personally, I would not do well in a high temperature, high humidity area because I am allergic to mold and those conditions promote the growth of the mold. I do well around the sea and in the mountains because there is less mold growth due to the lack of humidity. Some one who is more reactive to dust wouldn't well in area where there is low humidity due to everything being dry. What it comes down to is that what works one person doesn't necessarily work for everyone, because we are all not triggered by the same things in the same way.
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Post by darksea on Sept 22, 2011 10:33:54 GMT -5
Ok, twassbrake, I am a scientist and an asthma sufferer, so this is not a disagreeance, this is a fact finding presentation:
From the mayoclinic.com: To prevent the majority of asthma attacks that are caused by airborne particulates, higher levels of humidity are recommended, to prevent abrasion to the lung linings that inflammate asthma symptoms. Smaller solution sea salt nettle pots are recommended to clean the bronchial tubes, but excessive salt inhalation will irritate the lung linings further, causing them to constrict and suffer edema. Limited exposure is recommended at sea level dwellings. High mountain dwellings are also problematic for asthma sufferers, as thinner oxygen levels can also trigger asthma attacks. Dry upper mountain climates are not recommended for the most suseptible of allergy sufferers, as dust mites are most prevalent at these higher areas, and more aggressive. Extreme cold produces constriction of the veins, and tissues, therefore also producing further asthma symptoms.
And then, also from the mayoclinic: If you are suffering from an asthma attack and do not have a rescue inhaler nearby, wet a damp cloth and place over the mouth and nose, stay calm, and massage your neck. The humidity allows the lungs to relax and rehydrate therefore lowering the amount of edema.
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Post by runner on Sept 22, 2011 10:46:58 GMT -5
I didn't read back to see how this topic got started, but I'm gonna jump in because I have year round allergies. Miserable stuff to deal with. Now that the trees I'm allergic to (we live next to a filbert orchard of all things!) have stopped spreading pollen, the leaves they drop will get moldy, which I'm also allergic to.
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Post by darksea on Sept 22, 2011 10:57:03 GMT -5
This is now a cut topic to remove the off topic stuff from the original spoiler thread that it was on.
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Post by twassbrake on Sept 22, 2011 12:46:23 GMT -5
Ok, twassbrake, I am a scientist and an asthma sufferer, so this is not a disagreeance, this is a fact finding presentation: From the mayoclinic.com: To prevent the majority of asthma attacks that are caused by airborne particulates, higher levels of humidity are recommended, to prevent abrasion to the lung linings that inflammate asthma symptoms. Smaller solution sea salt nettle pots are recommended to clean the bronchial tubes, but excessive salt inhalation will irritate the lung linings further, causing them to constrict and suffer edema. Limited exposure is recommended at sea level dwellings. High mountain dwellings are also problematic for asthma sufferers, as thinner oxygen levels can also trigger asthma attacks. Dry upper mountain climates are not recommended for the most suseptible of allergy sufferers, as dust mites are most prevalent at these higher areas, and more aggressive. Extreme cold produces constriction of the veins, and tissues, therefore also producing further asthma symptoms. And then, also from the mayoclinic: If you are suffering from an asthma attack and do not have a rescue inhaler nearby, wet a damp cloth and place over the mouth and nose, stay calm, and massage your neck. The humidity allows the lungs to relax and rehydrate therefore lowering the amount of edema. OK, thanks for moving this as we are apparently, but sadly not over with this theme. BTW this has nothing to do with being a scientist or not, as asthma and allergies are highly individual health issues. Asthma treatment should always taking into account the individual that is suffering through it, including his environmental. The article of the Mayo clinic and my former statements are not opposide. They recommend higher levels of humidity, not constant high levels of humidity in combination with high temperatures like in Hawaii. I can tell you from my own experience that that can trigger asthma very well. Salty air at the sea is not containing excessive levels of salt, ergo not causing constriction and edemas. It's clean and breathable air, btw with an slightly higher level of humidity, just as recommended by the MayoClinic. High altitude (more than 1500 m) can trigger asthma attacs. That is true. Nothing to say against that. Haven't said any different. Just said that people should consider making vacations in the mountains. That is not automatically High mountain regions. There are several places below the altitude of 1500 m, which would be not considered High Mountain Regions. And yes extreme coldness can trigger asthma too. Again, nothing to say against that. Just asking myself what would be considered extreme cold as I do not have any problems around the freezing point and even some degrees lower. But that may be different for others. Dust mites more thriving in high and dry climates? I would doubt that. Dust mites love warm, humid environments, hence you find them in your bed and pillows. And hence they are thriving in the winter months, when inrooms are closed off, highly heated and people are not leaving the house much. But hey, what do I know. I understand that you are suffering through your allergies and asthma and I'm sorry for that. As I have a lot of those health issues myself I know how you feel. But, like Di said in her post, it is an highly individual issue. One cannot react the same way as one another. So maybe your asthma get triggered by environments that are beneficial for other asthmatics. So I'm back to: Let's agree to disagree because in all honesty I don't have any intention getting to fight with you. I love this board, love you and your comments and I would be very sad if we can't solve this like the mature woman that we call ourself.
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Post by okie27 on Sept 22, 2011 17:45:03 GMT -5
I didn't read back to see how this topic got started, but I'm gonna jump in Huuu....i think it is because of me and my comment of what i think is the reason for Alex looking miserable.... ummm....sorry!!!!
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Post by runner on Sept 22, 2011 19:37:04 GMT -5
Well, however the topic got to were it is, it's still interesting. And Twassbrake, I totally agree that allergies & asthma are quite serious, my daughter has asthma and allergies, and my son has allergy induced asthma. What a pain in the neck to deal with on a daily basis! As for dustmites.... they love the humidity because they absorb water through their skin because they do not drink water. Our allergist said to make sure the humidity in our house never went above 45% because they need more than that to survive.
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Post by darksea on Sept 22, 2011 21:25:20 GMT -5
I'm done with this.
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Post by Diana on Sept 22, 2011 22:10:39 GMT -5
Okay, I think it is time for a group hug for DarKSea. And a good stiff drink. She has had a really rotten day. Whose in?
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Post by margarine on Sept 22, 2011 22:29:10 GMT -5
I'm in. Skoal!
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Post by sunnyirish08 on Sept 23, 2011 1:08:55 GMT -5
ok, got very confused there, wondering how i got into the spoiler section because i clicked on the lounge, but it's ok now. suffer from hayfever. it's yucky, get headaches and dizzy spells
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Post by twassbrake on Sept 23, 2011 1:53:26 GMT -5
I'm in on the group hug as well.
HUGGS Darksea!
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Post by runner on Sept 23, 2011 12:44:44 GMT -5
ok, got very confused there, wondering how i got into the spoiler section because i clicked on the lounge, but it's ok now. suffer from hayfever. it's yucky, get headaches and dizzy spells Have you tried a neti pot? Those little things work great and really help with allergy symptoms and headaches. They also clean out the sinuses so medicated nasal sprays work better.
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Post by scarlarose on Sept 23, 2011 13:41:34 GMT -5
I know I'm a day late, but I'll pass a hug onto Darksea. Feel the love, friend!
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