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Post by Diana on Feb 9, 2012 16:32:02 GMT -5
Or Thursday after Person of Interest would be another good spot. Well, right after POI is The Mentalist, another one of my favorite shows. The Mentalist performs rather well, as far as I've seen. Do you think they would move The Mentalist to a different night if it's doing well as is? Hmm, I don't know. I forgot about the Mentalist being there as I don't watch that one. |
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Post by nycgal on Feb 9, 2012 16:39:02 GMT -5
Or Thursday after Person of Interest would be another good spot. Well, right after POI is The Mentalist, another one of my favorite shows. The Mentalist performs rather well, as far as I've seen. Do you think they would move The Mentalist to a different night if it's doing well as is? Tues night slot after NCIS-LA will probably open up since the ratings for Unforgettable are not so hot when compared to POI and The Mentalist. Here is Bill Gorman's assessment from TV By The Numbers of the situation re: CBS dramas and which will be canceled: In a typical season, CBS premieres 3 new dramas and 2 new sitcoms each Fall. That usually demands they cancel the same number from their existing schedule. Last season, tricky folks that they are, they only canceled two dramas from their Fall schedule (Medium, The Defenders) because they reduced their unscripted Fall schedule by an hour when they held back Undercover Boss until the spring. That trick isn't available a second year in a row though, and three dramas from their existing schedule are likely to be canceled. But which ones?
A Gifted Man is certain to be canceled, its ratings are well below all other CBS dramas. Past that, Unforgettable is a likely, but not certain, candidate for the second cancellation.
It's that third cancellation among CBS dramas that leaves me, and most others, puzzled.
Since Person Of Interest is certain to be renewed, a veteran drama will have to hit the discard pile.
My prediction, but it's a shaky one, is that it'll be CSI: NY, but CSI: Miami wouldn't surprise me a bit. CSI or The Good Wife being canceled this season would surprise me. Any other drama being canceled would shock me.
Those taking the ostrich approach will suggest CBS doing time sharing, Saturday drama originals, or perhaps enlarging the 24 hour day. I anticipate being amused by the comments to that effect.Thankfully he does not mention anything about H50 being canceled. It will be interesting to see what happens. |
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Post by Musicfreak on Feb 9, 2012 16:46:19 GMT -5
If they cancel A Gifted Man, and don't want to cancel Unforgettable, they could move Unforgettable in A Gifted Man's place (Friday night) and move H50 to Tuesday night. Maybe? *shrugs*
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Post by scarlarose on Feb 9, 2012 17:09:20 GMT -5
Darksea, thank you so much for answering my question and intelligently informing us about the facts. I hope you don't mind me asking you point blank about your opinion because I might feel the need to again before we hopefully get the final word on a season 3.
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Post by chazak on Feb 9, 2012 18:36:48 GMT -5
CSI: Miami is seriously terrible now. And I say that as a huge fan of the show who has seen every single episode and will continue watching until the day the plug is pulled. I would not be surprised in the slightest if it were canceled; after 10 seasons I think they're just out of ideas. But it has one of the crappy slots, Sundays at 10 (and it never starts then because the NFL on CBS always runs over), so I'm not sure what would get shifted around there.
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Post by nycgal on Feb 9, 2012 18:44:19 GMT -5
Let's just hope if they do move H50, it NOT to Sunday or Friday - it would be the kiss of death  I'd like to see H50 on Tues after NCIS-LA. I think H50 could retain a large chunk of the lead in audience since I think the 2 shows have a similar appeal and share some of the same demographics - but what do I know?? Oh yea, that would be nothing  |
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Post by nycgal on Feb 13, 2012 10:59:08 GMT -5
Update on CBS shows' cancel vs renew chances as analyzed by Robert Seidman of TV By The Numbers 2/12/12.
CBS, A Relative Wealth of Riches, But…
Just because CBS has it good doesn’t mean they won’t be canceling any shows. Of course it will and though Unforgettable and A Gifted Man are going to get canceled, it’ll be a surprise if those are the only shows that are canceled (and if the forthcoming NYC 22 gets canned, it’ll be a surprise if those are the only three shows canceled).
Bill has a great discussion on “what happens if CBS introduces another hour of comedy next season." If it does, that’s at least a little bit better news for ‘Rob’ and ‘Rules’ but it could mean CBS will have to cancel more dramas than normal or get creative with its scheduling. I’m not qualified to prognosticate on pilot season, but unless CBS hates its comedy pilots I’d be more surprised than not if CBS doesn’t add an extra hour of comedy.
With all that in mind I changed the fates of CSI: NY, The Good Wife and Rob to on the bubble. As with last season, I will be surprised if CBS renews all three CSIs and with that thinking CSI: NY is the odd man out. But at this point its numbers are so close to Blue Bloods’ that it seems a little wacky to have CSI: NY as a likely cancellation and Blue Bloods as a likely renewal which had been the case on Bubble Watch previously (and a little wackier still in the Renew/Cancel Index where CSI: NY is a likely cancellation and Blue Bloods is a certain renewal.
Rob isn’t doing poorly, but if CBS doesn’t add another comedy block it will almost certainly want to try another comedy post Big Bang Theory to see if it can do even better.
I’d previously maintained The Good Wife as a likely renewal under the theory that CBS was in for a penny and in for a pound as far as shepherding it to enough episodes for syndication. But here we are late in its third season and it still has no syndication deal. Under normal circumstances its ratings would = likely (or even certain) cancellation. But throw in proximity to syndication and some Emmys and it’s not going to fall lower than “on the bubble.”
Here's a run down of all CBS shows and their chances for renewal as per the opinion of TV By The Numbers 2/12/12.
Good news for H50, here's the list of "Certain Renewals"
2 Broke Girls
Criminal Minds
Hawaii Five-0
Mike & Molly
NCIS
NCIS: Los Angeles
Person Of Interest
Two and a Half Men
Already Renewed:
How I met Your Mother
Big Bang Theory
The following shows are categorized as "Likely Renewal"
Blue Bloods
CSI
CSI: Miami
The Mentalist
The following shows are "On the Bubble"
The Good Wife
CSI: NY
Rob
Rules of Engagement
"Likely Cancellation"
Unforgettable
"Certain Cancellation"
A Gifted Man
As more shows air and more ratings data is compiled, these opinions change and TVBTN revises their predictions, so stay tuned.
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Post by Diana on Feb 13, 2012 11:27:12 GMT -5
Update on CBS shows' cancel vs renew chances as analyzed by Robert Seidman of TV By The Numbers 2/12/12. CBS, A Relative Wealth of Riches, But…
Just because CBS has it good doesn’t mean they won’t be canceling any shows. Of course it will and though Unforgettable and A Gifted Man are going to get canceled, it’ll be a surprise if those are the only shows that are canceled (and if the forthcoming NYC 22 gets canned, it’ll be a surprise if those are the only three shows canceled).
Bill has a great discussion on “what happens if CBS introduces another hour of comedy next season." If it does, that’s at least a little bit better news for ‘Rob’ and ‘Rules’ but it could mean CBS will have to cancel more dramas than normal or get creative with its scheduling. I’m not qualified to prognosticate on pilot season, but unless CBS hates its comedy pilots I’d be more surprised than not if CBS doesn’t add an extra hour of comedy.
With all that in mind I changed the fates of CSI: NY, The Good Wife and Rob to on the bubble. As with last season, I will be surprised if CBS renews all three CSIs and with that thinking CSI: NY is the odd man out. But at this point its numbers are so close to Blue Bloods’ that it seems a little wacky to have CSI: NY as a likely cancellation and Blue Bloods as a likely renewal which had been the case on Bubble Watch previously (and a little wackier still in the Renew/Cancel Index where CSI: NY is a likely cancellation and Blue Bloods is a certain renewal.
Rob isn’t doing poorly, but if CBS doesn’t add another comedy block it will almost certainly want to try another comedy post Big Bang Theory to see if it can do even better.
I’d previously maintained The Good Wife as a likely renewal under the theory that CBS was in for a penny and in for a pound as far as shepherding it to enough episodes for syndication. But here we are late in its third season and it still has no syndication deal. Under normal circumstances its ratings would = likely (or even certain) cancellation. But throw in proximity to syndication and some Emmys and it’s not going to fall lower than “on the bubble.”Here's a run down of all CBS shows and their chances for renewal as per the opinion of TV By The Numbers 2/12/12. Good news for H50, here's the list of "Certain Renewals" 2 Broke Girls
Criminal Minds
Hawaii Five-0
Mike & Molly
NCIS
NCIS: Los Angeles
Person Of Interest
Two and a Half Men Already Renewed: How I met Your Mother
Big Bang TheoryThe following shows are categorized as "Likely Renewal" Blue Bloods
CSI
CSI: Miami
The Mentalist The following shows are "On the Bubble" The Good Wife
CSI: NY
Rob
Rules of Engagement "Likely Cancellation" Unforgettable"Certain Cancellation" A Gifted ManAs more shows air and more ratings data is compiled, these opinions change and TVBTN revises their predictions, so stay tuned. One watch, out I would point out is that TVBTN's tend to rely heavily on the 18-49 Demo numbers when making their predictions, and as has been discussed many times on the board right now with most college students coming out of school with a mountain of debt to pay off and the down turn economy causes them to have a hard time finding good paying jobs, advertiser aren't putting as much stock into the demo as they once did, as they are realizing that they younger generation just doesn't have the disposable income to buy their products with that the older generations does. This means that the overall live viewership numbers are becoming more significant when it comes to renewal. So as nice as these predictions make us feel keep that in mind nothing is a guarantee until CBS announces a third season in the beginning of June. |
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Post by margarine on Feb 13, 2012 11:28:46 GMT -5
It mystifies me that CSI NY is always in trouble, but Miami sticks around. I haven't watched either of them in years - or at least, I watch NY if there's nothing else on, and that hasn't happened much lately - but Miami didn't peter out, it jumped the shark. Horatio pisses me off with the posturing, I never liked Eric, and the whole thing portrays Miami as a Burn Notice on crack.
And I frankly like A Gifted Man. It's not a blockbuster, but I find myself appreciating the characters.
Rules of Engagement? How is that show still on?
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Post by chazak on Feb 13, 2012 11:45:03 GMT -5
Wasn't CSI Miami's season just shortened to 19 episodes to make room for NYC 22? That doesn't indicate anything about impending cancellation? Numb3rs' season got shortened that way and then it was canned.
I keep watching Miami week after week and I don't know why. After 10 years I guess I just am familiar with the characters, but really, it's sucked for awhile. NY is definitely better. But they're both in death slots.
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Post by nycgal on Feb 13, 2012 11:48:16 GMT -5
One watch, out I would point out is that TVBTN's tend to rely heavily on the 18-49 Demo numbers when making their predictions, and as has been discussed many times on the board right now with most college students coming out of school with a mountain of debt to pay off and the down turn economy causes them to have a hard time finding good paying jobs, advertiser aren't putting as much stock into the demo as they once did, as they are realizing that they younger generation just doesn't have the disposable income to buy their products with that the older generations does. This means that the overall live viewership numbers are becoming more significant when it comes to renewal. So as nice as these predictions make us feel keep that in mind nothing is a guarantee until CBS announces a third season in the beginning of June. Diana - Thanks for the pointing out that TVBTN puts a lot of stock (rightly or wrongly, who knows) in the 18-49 demo numbers and not as much weight on the actual live viewership - this is an important "qualifier" when evaluating their predictions since as you note, 18-49 demo might not be as important these days as they assume. In any case, my point is (and I hope) that there are enough other shows that will get canceled first before they consider axing H50. |
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Post by darksea on Feb 14, 2012 10:40:45 GMT -5
It's not necessarily about having 'enough' shows to cancel. If a show is in trouble, then it goes in the danger zone. While there may be a group of us who enjoy it, that group got smaller, and that is what they look at.
In addition, TVBYN isn't as right on with their analyses as they used to be because they haven't changed with the times. Over the past few years, Seidman has become more opinion than fact in many cases, hence the reason why you get 'the bubble'.
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Post by Diana on Feb 15, 2012 12:17:24 GMT -5
Doesn't this just warm your heart about last week's ratings?? [Heavy Sarcasm intended] out of all the CBS shows H50 came right above "A Gifted Man" which has already pretty much been cancelled, CBS just hasn't official announced it yet. Heck even all the CSI's did better.
CBS POSTS BEST WEEKLY RATINGS PERFORMANCE IN MORE THAN A YEAR
Network Up Over Last Year in All Key Measures
"The 54th Annual GRAMMY® Awards" Posts its Largest Audience Since 1984 and Second Largest Ever
"NCIS," "Person of Interest," "The Mentalist" and "The Big Bang Theory" All Deliver Season High Ratings
CBS swept the week in viewers, adults 18-49, adults 25-54 and adults 18-34 with its best performances in these measures since the week ending Jan. 23, 2011, according to Nielsen live plus same day ratings for the week ending Feb. 12, Week 21 of the 2011-2012 television season.
CBS's win was paced by THE 54TH ANNUAL GRAMMY® AWARDS, which delivered 39.9 million viewers, the largest audience since 1984 and the second-largest ever for the awards broadcast and season-high ratings for NCIS, PERSON OF INTEREST, THE MENTALIST and THE BIG BANG THEORY.
For the week in viewers: CBS (15.36m), FOX (6.97m), ABC (6.52m) and NBC (6.39m). Season-to-date: CBS (12.19m), FOX (9.02m), ABC (8.28m) and NBC (8.04m).
For the week in key demographics, CBS was first in adults 25-54 (5.3/13), adults 18-49 (4.2/11) and adults 18-34 (2.9/09). CBS posted its best deliveries in the measures since the week ending Jan. 23, 2011. Compared to the same week last year, CBS was up +16% in households, +17% in viewers, +23% in adults 25-54, +24% in adults 18-49 and +12% in adults 18-34.
Season-to-date, CBS is first in adults 25-54 (4.1/10) and second adults 18-49 (3.2/09, -0.1 behind FOX). Season-to-date, CBS is up +4% in households, +1% in viewers, +2% in adults 25-54 and +7% in adults 18-49 compared to last year.
For the week in households: CBS (9.2/15), ABC (4.1/07), FOX (4.1/06) and NBC (4.0/06). Season-to-date: CBS (7.6/12), ABC and FOX (5.3/09, each) and NBC (4.9/08).
CBS top programs of the week: #1 THE 54TH ANNUAL GRAMMY® AWARDS (S) (an average of 39.91m viewers), #2 NCIS (20.98m), #6 NCIS: LOS ANGELES (16.27m), #7 THE BIG BANG THEORY (16.21m), #8 PERSON OF INTEREST (15.14m), #9 THE MENTALIST (14.68m), #10 60 MINUTES (14.25m), #11 CRIMINAL MINDS (13.31m), #12 TWO AND A HALF MEN (13.00m), #14 UNFORGETTABLE (11.86m), #15 BLUE BLOODS (11.82m), #16 2 BROKE GIRLS (11.47m), #18 MIKE & MOLLY (10.95m), #19 CSI: CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION (10.88m), #20 ROB (10.74m), #21 CSI: NY (10.44m), #23 HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER (9.98m), #24 HAWAII FIVE-0 (9.97m) and #25 THE GIFTED MAN (8.78m).
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Post by gbird on Feb 15, 2012 13:51:57 GMT -5
That is really scary. I really hope they get the chance to turn it around because there is so much more for them to explore and I really want to get the chance to see it.
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Post by Diana on Mar 5, 2012 9:58:42 GMT -5
Here are the updated ratings numbers for when 7 day DVR viewership is added in. Just as a reminder these numbers are for Smash's premiere episode, hence why Smash's numbers are skewing higher.
Hawaii Five-0 went from 9.969 million viewers to 13.081 for a gain of 3.112 million viewers or a gain of 31%. CASTLE went from 8.704 million viewers to 11.851 for a gain of 3.147 million viewers or a gain of 36%. Smash went from 11.442 million viewers to 14.524 for a gain of 3.082 million viewers or a gain of 27%.
As for the 18-49 demo Hawaii Five-0 went from a 2.70 to a 3.70 for a gain of 1.0 or 37%. CASTLE went from a 2.00 to a 2.90 for a gain of 0.9 or 45%. Smash went from a 3.80 to a 5.00 for a gain of 1.2 or 32%.
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