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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 1:03:49 GMT -5
If that really is Matty in the can, they better have some story in the future about how he was working undercover and died in the line of duty. After three years, fans deserve some sort of explanation as to what really went on with Matty, and if it turns out he really was a crook, I'm going to be pissed off. You'd think Steve would have checked the can before letting Danno kill Dumbo Ears. What if it isn't Matty, what if there isn't even a body in there, and they've just killed the only person that can tell them anything? Don't you think Reyes would have stopped Danny by telling him it wasn't really Matt when he had the gun right up in his face? That's what makes me think it was Matt. He had no way of knowing if Danny would open the barrel so why would he lie when there was a way Danny could have immediately found out that he was lying? And I really think Matt was a crook. I think he got in over his head and thought he'd found an easy way to fix things. I don't think he intended to leave his investors hanging ... but in the end, I think the situation was exactly what we saw. He ran away rather than face the consequences. |
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 1:12:54 GMT -5
How does a hoodlum get 5 million dollars? ...I forget his deal other than he's Chin's nere do well brother in law who killed Chin's father? Oh, Binda ... he WAS a nere-do-well (not yet) brother-in-law but that was in flashbacks when he killed Chin's father. He'd gone off between then and now and gotten himself a great job as a drug lord or crime boss or something of the sort. He actually offered Chin $25 million not to arrest him (as he's bleeding and trying to crawl away) and that's why Internal Affairs was shadowing Chin. They're convinced Chin took the bribe money. Now Chin is REALLY going to have problems with IA (later in the season, I'm presuming) because he actually DID take some of the money. And you know he's not going to turn on Danny and tell them it was for him. IA was also convinced that Chin knew that Gabriel had murdered his father and covered it up because of Malia. But Chin had only recently learned (for sure) that Gabriel had done it. He'd had his suspicions but no proof. And then Gabriel went off to wherever and became illegally prosperous ... and the rest is history! P.S. Okay, I'll shut up for a while now and let someone else talk!  |
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Post by mandyblue on Oct 18, 2014 2:10:33 GMT -5
Sarah Schmool @sarahflo93 · 3h3 hours ago
@plenkov still in shock over here!! How does Danny get through this one?? #H50
Peter M. Lenkov
@plenkov “@sarahflo93: @plenkov still in shock over here!! How does Danny get through this one?? #H50” gonna be hard
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Post by mandyblue on Oct 18, 2014 2:15:12 GMT -5
Parker @parker5050 · 3h3 hours ago
“@plenkov: Any questions? You got my full attention #H50Friday #H50” Will there b consequences 4 Danny down the road? Mental &/or legal?
Peter M. Lenkov
@plenkov “@parker5050: “@plenkov: Any questions? You got my full attention #H50Friday #H50” Will there b consequences 4 Danny down the road? Oui
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Post by mandyblue on Oct 18, 2014 7:32:22 GMT -5
Wow what a ending did not see that coming. This will come back and bit Danny in the bottom. I wonder how this will effect Danny in the future. Steve face said it all when Danny shot the guy. Now Chin in trouble that will back fire as well. Lost of action as well this week when Alex had to jump on that police car while shooting at the bad guy. Loved the whole episode.
Looks like lots of character stuff this season for all the team.
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Post by runner on Oct 18, 2014 9:10:53 GMT -5
My take on the ending is that Matt WAS in the barrel. If he wasn't really dead and canned, don't you think when Danny had the gun right up in Reyes face, he (Reyes) would have said, "Wait ... wait ... he's not really in there and I can tell you where he is?" Good point, Katlyn. That final scene really shocked many of us viewers, and I for one was left kinda thinking 'what the hell'. Hopefully they will fly back out under the radar, and although I don't want to see our dear by-the-book Danno get away with murder, I do want to see the angsty, messed up, Dann0 of S1 again... and having to deal with what he'd done would definitely leave him angsty and messed up, that's for sure. |
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 18, 2014 9:18:03 GMT -5
Danno's Dani, What's-His-Name in jail (Gabriel Waincroft) once offered Chin $25 million NOT to arrest him (after he'd been shot and was trying to crawl away). I guess he felt that $5 million was worth it to be taken out of general population and quit having the $%#^ beat out of him. If I was in jail for murder and had $25 million hidden away somewhere that I probably figured I'd never get to use, I'd give someone a fifth of it if I thought it would make things easier on me. AND he probably thinks he has Chin in his pocket now. Malia would be so ashamed of her brother! Katlyn, I know why Gabriel (thanks, I couldn't remember his name) finally gave Chin the money. My confusion is with why Chin thought Gabriel would give it to him in the first place, when he didn't really have anything to offer - he never said, "maybe there's something I can get/do for you", and you figure he'd have tried anything to get the money, short of letting Gabriel out of jail. 5-0 is good at flying under the radar. They really couldn't have contacted authorities in Colombia to say "hey, we're dropping in, we have a couple of million bucks for one of your drug dealers in exchange for a kidnapped US citizen". And they certainly would have needed some of that money to bribe customs officials. With all the canned Matty and vigilante justice going on, I did forget to point out one excellent scene (which wasn't even shown) - Danno and Steve took out a mini Colombian army all by themselves, in about half a minute. When Danno and Steve got taken upstairs, I really thought we'd have to wait a couple of episodes for our revenge. Then I thought they were getting beaten up. When Hernando came tumbling down those stairs, I cheered. Beautiful unseen scene. |
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 18, 2014 9:25:27 GMT -5
So, reading everyone's responses, I guess Matty really did get canned. So sad, after waiting for 3 years for him to return and be vindicated.
They could at least try to paint him in a good light, so that Danno doesn't have to live knowing his brother was a crook.
Further question about the ne'er-do-well brother-in-law = if he still had the money to give to Chin, hasn't he now totally incriminated himself by proving it exists? Or had the money been found already? Which would have proven that Chin didn't take it as a bribe in the first place, so why would IA be hounding him?
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Post by runner on Oct 18, 2014 9:30:56 GMT -5
Have to go back to my first post of this thread and correct myself.
"Really could use the Commander right about now."
Nope. Not what Grover said after all. "The Camaro would come in handy right about now" is what the quote is. He was criticizing Steve's truck, not Steve himself, for not being able to keep up better with the ambulance. Must have been part of a Chevy promo or something.
Too bad, actually, because we'd all like to see Steve in Commander SEAL mode a lot more often.
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 18, 2014 11:06:56 GMT -5
Another question:
Why did Matty hide the money? If he had it, why didn't he use it to get himself out of trouble? I'm having trouble remembering the full problem since it was so long ago, but if he had some money, why not use it?
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Post by debraluv50 on Oct 18, 2014 13:20:03 GMT -5
What if Matt is NOT in the container and is really alive? I thought Dane Cook traveled to Hawaii this summer to film some scenes. Maybe it was for a flashback. I don't think Mattie is dead. Danny will certainly be traumatized but he had to kill Reyes because of his threat to Grace. We are really seeing the depth of Scott's talent this season. I enjoy Danny more when he has something real to say or feel, not just a smart remark. Scott Caan is an extremely talented actor and we are now beginning to see his talent as the episodes are more focused on Danny's storyline. Excellent writing so far by the writers! In the future, the writers need to show Steve expressing angst over losing Catherine to the mission in Afghanistan. Still waiting for that but all in all, an outstanding episode.
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 13:53:44 GMT -5
What if Matt is NOT in the container and is really alive? I thought Dane Cook traveled to Hawaii this summer to film some scenes. Maybe it was for a flashback. I don't think Mattie is dead. Danny will certainly be traumatized but he had to kill Reyes because of his threat to Grace. We are really seeing the depth of Scott's talent this season. I enjoy Danny more when he has something real to say or feel, not just a smart remark. Scott Caan is an extremely talented actor and we are now beginning to see his talent as the episodes are more focused on Danny's storyline. Excellent writing so far by the writers! In the future, the writers need to show Steve expressing angst over losing Catherine to the mission in Afghanistan. Still waiting for that but all in all, an outstanding episode. But why wouldn't Reyes have tried to save himself by telling Danny that Matt was still alive. He didn't say a word when Danny had the gun right in his face. If I'd been in that situation (not that I'd ever even remotely be in a similar situation ... but if I was), I'd have been shouting it as loud as possible that Matt wasn't really in the barrel. I agree about Scott's acting. He and Alex both showed the anguish over a barrel being brought out instead of Matt. You could see a brother's anguish that he was just realizing that he'd lost his little brother. And a best friend's anguish over what his friend was going through. Great acting from both men. |
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 14:07:33 GMT -5
Another question: Why did Matty hide the money? If he had it, why didn't he use it to get himself out of trouble? I'm having trouble remembering the full problem since it was so long ago, but if he had some money, why not use it? I think the money Matt buried, that belonged to Reyes, was money he was supposed to be laundering for the cartel. Why he buried it can only be guessed at and my presumption is that he didn't feel entirely safe working for them and thought the buried money would be the insurance he needed not to be killed when business was concluded. So he took some of it with him but, apparently, didn't do what he was supposed to do with it. I'm not sure exactly but maybe the deal with Reyes was ... use this money for your investors so they'll keep investing with you and once this money is theirs, you can embezzle from them further and pass the clean money on to me (Reyes). But instead of going back to his investors with the money, Matt saw a new opportunity to live the high life and took off with $5M plus. I mean, he embezzled money to begin with to sustain a lifestyle and once he had enough money in his hands to make that situation right, he probably thought ... still in trouble, probably have to go to jail, won't actually be able to launder the money because of that, so why not just fly off somewhere and continue living it up on someone else's money. I know we'd like to think Matt was good ... was working undercover for some agency ... but that's just because he was Danny's brother and we don't want Danny to be hurt by his brother being bad. But regardless, Matt is dead (at least I believe he is) and it wouldn't really be all that much comfort to say he died a good guy instead of a bad guy. He'd still be dead. |
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 14:12:38 GMT -5
Have to go back to my first post of this thread and correct myself. "Really could use the Commander right about now."Nope. Not what Grover said after all. "The Camaro would come in handy right about now" is what the quote is. He was criticizing Steve's truck, not Steve himself, for not being able to keep up better with the ambulance. Must have been part of a Chevy promo or something. Too bad, actually, because we'd all like to see Steve in Commander SEAL mode a lot more often. I actually laughed at the line when Grover and Steve were on opposite sides of the ambulance and Steve said, "Call an ambulance." And Grover said, "Isn't this ironic." I also thought they gave Grover one of the dumbest lines right before that when Steve opened the driver's door of the ambulance and you could see that blood had dripped down even under the door frame ... it was all over the left side of that seat and door and everywhere ... and Grover says something like, "He's lost a lot of blood." Well, DUH! |
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Post by ritter on Oct 18, 2014 14:13:39 GMT -5
While the ending may be mindblowing, I must point out Danny killed people in the past
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