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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 14:22:21 GMT -5
So, reading everyone's responses, I guess Matty really did get canned. So sad, after waiting for 3 years for him to return and be vindicated. They could at least try to paint him in a good light, so that Danno doesn't have to live knowing his brother was a crook. Further question about the ne'er-do-well brother-in-law = if he still had the money to give to Chin, hasn't he now totally incriminated himself by proving it exists? Or had the money been found already? Which would have proven that Chin didn't take it as a bribe in the first place, so why would IA be hounding him? I'm a little confused about Gabriel's money as well. We knew it existed because he offered $25M to Chin not to be arrested. And IA knows it exists because they think Chin took it. But Gabriel's in prison, so who's still working for him on the outside that Chin could actually physically get his hands on $5.5M of it just like snapping his fingers. He couldn't walk into a bank and say, "It's okay, I'm a police officer, and he told me I should come get $5.5M of his money from you." So Gabriel still has people on the outside who are working for him ... but what's the point of that when he's in prison for murdering a police officer? He's never going to get out so why are people on the outside doing his bidding? Take the money and run! As for Matt, I'm sorry to say, I never expected him to be vindicated. The scene at the airport was played too real ... Matt saying he wasn't like Danny and couldn't spend time in prison. They didn't paint him in a good light then and I don't think they could have changed that. Danny's already lived for a few years knowing his brother was a crook and there was nothing he could do about that so that's nothing new for him. |
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Post by binda23 on Oct 18, 2014 14:25:08 GMT -5
While the ending may be mindblowing, I must point out Danny killed people in the past This was a revenge killing pure and simple as opposed to killing someone on the job. I guess it is similar to when he killed that guy in the warehouse in the 9/11 flashback..... |
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 14:28:31 GMT -5
While the ending may be mindblowing, I must point out Danny killed people in the past Do you mean in the line of duty ... or in a similar way as he killed Reyes? Are you maybe thinking of the backstory in NJ? I always thought of that as doing what he needed to do to escape. Reyes wasn't someone he needed to kill to escape as they were already being escorted out. And even though Steve didn't pull the trigger, it all had to have been done with his cooperation. He's the one who could have ninja'd them out of the situation ... just being escorted from the building without what they came for. And he knew the guy had killed Danny's brother and just threatened his daughter. So he backed Danny up the whole way, even if Danny was the one who pulled the trigger. But, sorry, I'm rambling. Do you mean another situation in which Danny killed someone that wasn't, technically, part of his job? |
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 14:32:09 GMT -5
While the ending may be mindblowing, I must point out Danny killed people in the past This was a revenge killing pure and simple as opposed to killing someone on the job. I guess it is similar to when he killed that guy in the warehouse in the 9/11 flashback..... I agree it was a revenge killing ... more similar, to me, to when Chin shot what's-his-name, Baldwin. That wasn't entirely necessary; the gun was empty. I kinda see the 9/11 one in a different light because Danny was actually fighting for his life in that one. Sure the guy had a meat cleaver buried in his chest but I could see Danny thinking, I have to turn my back on him now to see if I can get some help, so he shot him just to be sure. But that was a survival killing, to me, not a revenge killing. |
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Post by ritter on Oct 18, 2014 14:35:13 GMT -5
Uhm yeah, killing people on his job but i'm olny pointing it out. My opinion of the ending reminds the same
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 18, 2014 20:50:15 GMT -5
Glad to see I'm not the only one wondering where Gabriel's money has been, and why IA is after Chin yet again for money he didn't take. One of these days the poor thing should really just take it and run. IA vs Chin is getting old and boring. On the other hand, 5-0 having to borrow millions for some reason or other is usually interesting.
So regardless of where the money has been, IA should now be satisfied that Chin didn't take it, particularly since Danno will be bringing back the $5.5 million and Chin should now know where the full amount is. So really, changing to a safer facility cost Gabriel the whole $25 million, didn't it? Don't think he gets to keep it now that it's been found.
Matty, Matty, Matty, why the hell didn't you take the money and run? With that kind of money he should have been able to hide.
Wonder if Danno will suffer from his revenge kill the way Chin didn't when he killed Baldwin (forget the character's name). Wasn't he supposed to go through some dark emotional times? And he didn't. So maybe they'll do it with Danno instead. But hell, why should he? The scum not only killed his brother, but threatened Monkey, which is something you never, never do if you want to stay healthy.
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 18, 2014 22:20:47 GMT -5
Wonder if Danno will suffer from his revenge kill the way Chin didn't when he killed Baldwin (forget the character's name). Wasn't he supposed to go through some dark emotional times? And he didn't. So maybe they'll do it with Danno instead. But hell, why should he? The scum not only killed his brother, but threatened Monkey, which is something you never, never do if you want to stay healthy. My first thought after the show was over was 'why would Danny feel any remorse for what he's done ... the guy killed his brother and threatened his daughter and killing him was the only way to be sure his daughter was protected.' As you point out, Chin didn't go through a dark emotional time (at least not one we saw) when he killed Baldwin-brother. So I was surprised to see the tweet from PL that said Danny would go through some sort of emotional meltdown over this. AND THEN I remembered what Danny said in the episode when the building collapsed on him and Steve. He talked about always worrying, if his parents were late coming home, that they'd been in an accident. And on his wedding day to Rachel, he was thinking about their divorce. Danny's whole mindset about things is different than Chin's so maybe I can see how Danny will go through a 'what if there are associates of his after us' or 'what if I was wrong' kind of thing. Chin seems to have been accepting of what he did. Even with Steve's backing, because that was certainly implied by Steve not stopping him, Danny may have second thoughts because that's just the way he is. So I'm kinda taking back what I said, wherever it was that I said it, that I didn't think Danny would have issues over this. His mind is a weird place to wander around in so I can see that he might have issues with it. |
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Post by binda23 on Oct 19, 2014 9:07:15 GMT -5
I agree. I wonder though if this guy that Danny killed has a brother/girlfriend/relative who will now seek revenge against Danny.....
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Post by ritter on Oct 19, 2014 18:22:12 GMT -5
* The episode opens with Steve entering Danny's house and is surprised to see Matt's Money all over the dining area.
* Joseph Stegner arrives at the airport with a suitcase. When the Law Enforcement opens the suitcase they find it oddly empty with styrofoam with holes. They showed him a picture of what was in the case of the stuff they removed. After a chain of reaction the mild-mannered Stegner overpowers five Law Enforcement. Stegner is a hit man from a decaying city of Detroit who works for the mob boss Bagosas. The Hawaii Five-O tracks him down via security camera/facial recognition. They manage to corner him but is shot by Nick Mercer who too works under Bagosas. He was shot by McGarrett and gets away. As he was getting away in a car they end up shooting everything but the tires.
* Mercer is known as Valentine because he has no heart when killing 100 people. Why not call him heartless or Valentine Killer?
* Mercer sticks up 2 EMT in a restaurant to treat his wounds, they take him to an ambulance. The driver somehow phones the people while under tight supervision from Mercer, he knocks both of them down and drives away. However the Five-O manage to get his location and we were treated with a chase. The chase was cut short because Mercer lost lots of blood. He ended up in a hospital. The Five-O talks to him. Mercer explains that he had a car crash a while back and stuffers a heart damage. He had to get a new one. After that his attitude changes; he was unable to kill people so he sets up a witness protection like scam to protect people Bagosas wanted dead by hiding them in west Molokai (how convenient and absurd)
* Agent Chapman informed McGarrett that Albert Bagosas' plane disappeared from the rader. They are heading to Hawaii so McGarrett tries to get Mercer to tell them where are the people he's protecting. To show that he is serious he takes off the handcuff chained to the bed. Bagosas and his goons with the help of an unlucky person finds the compound. However the Five-O were already there. Each of them knocks out the goons with a silly help from Jerry who is providing electronic "diversions", McGarrett crashed through the door fighting with one of his goons, Bagosas has his gun on him but Mercer was was behind him with his gun at him. So Bagosas and his goons were taken away, along with Mercer. It's unknown if he'll get a special consideration despite the fact that he killed over 100 people
*Chin manage to take 5.5 million dollers to give to Danno from his brother-in-law who is in prison in exchange for him to move to a better prison. Where did Gabe get the money from? How did he pass it to Chin? This was done because the money Danny dug up was 5.5 million short of the 18.5 that Reyes requested
* McGarrett and Danno flew to Colombia with 18.5 Million, they manage to bring a 400 pound bag without arousing anyone suspicion. If 2 white guys bring money to a Colombian airport, I'm sure the reaction from the custom people and the police would be greater the the people who detain Stegner. But they manage to sneak it in with no problems and without any backups. So they went to Reyes hideout, frisked for weapons but they don't have one and taken to Reyes. Danny demanded to see Matt so Reyes brings out a contianer which might store his reminds. Predictably Danno freaks out, without looking inside first tries to attack Reyes but is pinned down by his man and taken away but we get an off-screen gunfights between McGarrett and Danno and Reyes' man. After that was done Danno with McGarrett behind him comes down the stairs and shoots Reyes in the head, making him a murderer.
* Caan's acting abilities was not so great, he flaps his hands around emotionally without looking at people but Alex's reaction to Danno shooting Reyes was kind of silly but great.
* Since Danno and McGarrett are cops, they are suppose to uphold the law.
* Overall the ending was predicateble
Over well a nice episode
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Post by katlyn520 on Oct 19, 2014 20:40:20 GMT -5
* McGarrett and Danno flew to Colombia with 18.5 Million, they manage to bring a 400 pound bag without arousing anyone suspicion. If 2 white guys bring money to a Colombian airport, I'm sure the reaction from the custom people and the police would be greater the the people who detain Stegner. But they manage to sneak it in with no problems and without any backups. So they went to Reyes hideout, frisked for weapons but they don't have one and taken to Reyes. Danny demanded to see Matt so Reyes brings out a contianer which might store his reminds. Predictably Danno freaks out, without looking inside first tries to attack Reyes but is pinned down by his man and taken away but we get an off-screen gunfights between McGarrett and Danno and Reyes' man. After that was done Danno with McGarrett behind him comes down the stairs and shoots Reyes in the head, making him a murderer. Over well a nice episode I'm guessing, if we ever do see any kind of "flashback" that reveals more, we'll find that Steve managed to get them a plane that was able to go in under the radar. I don't imagine they flew commercial with bags full of money and I don't think two guys bringing $18.5M into Colombia would want to walk that through customs and explain that they were there to deliver it to a well-known drug lord. I'm kinda guessing, too, that they'll have taken the money back with them. If they have Danny going back home to tell his family about Matt, maybe the money will go with him to pay back those Matt stole from. Of course, I'd expect him to leave $5.5M with Chin so he can try to given that back. If Danny (and Steve, for that matter) had any encounter with Colombian police over this, I think they could probably point to Reye's armed guards as being threats and logically argue that they feared for their lives. But a head shot like the one Danny administered would be difficult to put into the same category as the other killings. It appeared that Reyes really was letting them leave because he seemed concerned when he heard sounds of fighting and then the shots. So who knows if he was really letting them go or his men were taking them somewhere to kill them. But, I'd have to say those killings were justified. The other ... legally, not so much. But I think the man was evil and would have gone after Danny and Grace despite getting his money, so even if it was murder, I think it might have been morally defensible. |
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Post by ritter on Oct 19, 2014 21:43:08 GMT -5
Thats a good point you made Kathy
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Post by webruce on Oct 26, 2014 14:52:27 GMT -5
anna0852 Quote: Can I just say that seeing Timothy V. Murphy playing a character with a soul is unnerving. I know him as Sidarov from NCIS:LA and Ian Doyle from Criminal Minds. In both he played a sadistic crime boss and a multiple episode big bad. I know he was no angel here but it was still weird.
Yes my thoughts exactly! But it was kinda nice. It isn't always fun to pretty much know the bad guy by what guest actors will be in an episode.
I was surprised when Killer for hire, Nick "Valentine" Mercer sniped Killer Gordon Bristol.We saw how tough Bristol was when he took out all 5 of the customs inspectors. I thought maybe at first it was his partner who didn't want him caught? I was surprised Steve was so sloppy and Bristol saw his wire. I know the HPD cars are usually spotted, but Steve was sloppy. Even if he was on 2nd level and "blending in"! Maybe Grover helped give it away, lol. But we see after Mercer is hit, and escapes, commandeers a Ambulance crew. But kills a mouthy EMT. After it was stopped, we see Danny saying how Ironic when Steve said to call for an ambulance, lol.
There have been studies that people can change slightly by heart transplants and by other operations. HIm being there to protect people he had hidden from a Kill List was cool, especially at end when they drive by him and all wave or smile. I loved it! I had tears! The faraway hidden camp was nice. But yes they needed back up.
One thing I saw that a Ford Ambulance out ran Steve's Silverado! It seems all the bad guy cars, or most are Fords! The team ofcourse drive Chevy. I also thought Mercer was by a Chevy Malibu and when it got shot up it changed to a Ford Focus? I used to hate to see Cop shows growing up that a car make or model would change as the action happened. The Dukes of Hazzard movie was the worst. The boys had gone to do jumps in a traveling Thrill Show, I believe and were practicing jumps in a non General Lee and during one jump had 3 different brands(Ford, Chevy, Plymouth) in the air and it was supposed to be the same car. Granted most people don't look for that, but I usually spot it. Today they do much better at having the same model vehicles to shoot up and crash. But I hate movies/tv shows, crashing old model cars! They aren't making any more of them!
Chin worked hard to get money for Danno's ransom for Matty's release. Steve going into Danny's house and the Millions laying in piles all over the room was cool. I thought when Danny and Steve,(Danny gave him a nice complement for saying he would go in for him),good job both, went to see Marco Reyas they would have some kind of back up. Or when Marco took the money and told Danny, "Go home if you love your daughter", that they would come back in camo and take him. I didn't think they would come back then and shoot him. How did Danny get all that money through customs? What would happen if 2 5-0 Officers were found dead in Columbia? Marco Reyas would probably have planted pot on them to make them look corrupt. Was Matty's body actually in the barrel? Will have to have "Bones" or "CSI" check the remains. Will there be more to this storyline?? I hope so. Either Matt is in on it, or he is alive and in custody of Reyes's boss? So Danny may hear more about his brother in future. And what will Chin have to do because of the 5.5 Mil, he "borrowed"? Will he owe Gabriel Waincroft? The other 13M should be 5-0 money.
Like actor who plays Albert Bagosa. He usually plays baddies too. I am now watching Stargate SG-1 on Netflix disc. He plays Jacob Carter/Selmak.
Jerry and Kamekona eating in car and watching the Book Store would make a good team.
Nice to see Charlie Fong, he is few and far between anymore. But with Kono and Adam together, maybe they don't have as much story for him. But keep him on just like Max.
I also wondered if Special Agent Chapman will be an item for Steve?
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