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Post by ritter on Nov 17, 2014 15:53:32 GMT -5
WHILE THE TEAM INVESTIGATES A COUPLE'S MURDER IN WHICH THEIR SONS ARE THE PRIME SUSPECTS, McGARRETT IS SHOCKED WHEN AUNT DEB RETURNS TO THE ISLAND WITH HER NEW FIANCÉ, ON “HAWAII FIVE-0,” FRIDAY, NOV. 21
Entertainment Legends Carol Burnett and Frankie Valli Guest Star
“Ka Hana Malū” – While the team investigates a couple's murder in which their sons are the prime suspects, McGarrett is shocked when Aunt Deb returns to the island with her new fiancé, on HAWAII FIVE-0, Friday, Nov. 21 (9:00-10:00, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network. Entertainment legends Carol Burnett and Frankie Valli guest star.
(*Ka Hana Malū is Hawaiian for “Inside Job”)
CHEAT TWEET: #H50 fans, ur in 4 a treat! Legends #CarolBurnett & #FrankieValli guest star! 11/21 9pm #Five0Fridays bit.ly/1wYs35j
REGULAR CAST:
Alex O’Loughlin (Steve McGarrett)
Scott Caan (Danny “Danno” Williams)
Daniel Dae Kim (Chin Ho Kelly)
Grace Park (Kono Kalakaua)
Masi Oka (Dr. Max Bergman)
Chi McBride (Lou Grover)
Jorge Garcia (Jerry Ortega)
RECURRING CAST:
Taylor Wily (Kamekona)
Shawn Garnett (Flippa)
Carol Burnett (Deb McGarrett)
Larry Manetti (Nicky “The Kid” Demarco)
GUEST CAST:
Frankie Valli (Leonard Cassano)
Charlie Carver (Travis Kealoha)
Nathan Kress (Jake Kealoha)
John Billingsley (Eugene Goodman)
Wilke Itzin (Tai Gable)
Josie Davis (Patti Gable)
Lauren Teruya (Teenager Girl)
Alexander Rogers (Teenage Boy)
Mark Ah Sing (Technician)
Devon Kono (Piano Player)
WRITTEN BY: Moira Kirland
DIRECTED BY: Jerry Levine
It's wedding time! Ding dong! Let's go spank some kids
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Post by Dannos Dani on Nov 21, 2014 22:16:24 GMT -5
- Now THAT'S a car! - And that's a dog! - And that's a house .... save for the dead bodies and all the blood. - Geriatric marriages are usually quick, Steve. It's not like they have all the time in the world. - So Tightwad Danno from S.2-3 is now a big tipper because you can't take it with you? - And, the guy singing the virtues of a cruise is the same guy who in S1 would have hung himself with his own tie if he'd have to go on a cruise. - Can't help but wonder what would have happened if Steve had ran out of trucks. - Is Tai related to Toast? Or at least, a good buddy of his? - She might be a great friend but she ain't going to win any Mother of the Year awards. - So this is PL's way of telling us Cath isn't coming back and Steve is free to pursue another fruitless romance? - Was not expecting Over Friendly Mom and the rather yeeky affair. - What have I said before, about NO MORE HEARTBREAK FOR STEVE'S FAMILY?  ? Really, it's like they're cursed. Can't they get a break? It's just ridiculous now. Aunt Deb couldn't get a break? Now she's going to be a widow. Cancer-free, but a widow. And the only thing we get for all this sad stuff thrown at us is a "touching" scene about how honest Leo is and how much he loves her. I'd rather have skipped the scene and just had a good time with the wedding and the knowledge and Deb is cancer-free and a wife. There's got to be a better way to introduce some boxed evidence which may come into play in a future episode ('cause why go through all the trouble of introducing it?) - I really thought it was the lawyer. This just makes it all the sadder. Don't like sad episodes. I like fun, and feeling good about some bad guy getting what he deserves at the hands of H50. - Danno's socks almost make up for the sucky sadness. - So the Danno♥Steve marriage is now a ménage â trois? - Max really likes his Gershwin. - The wedding would have been a lot nicer without knowing Leo is going to kick the bucket in a month or so. Maybe, in a couple of episodes from now, we could hear how Leo has been miraculously cured? ?? |
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Post by debraluv50 on Nov 22, 2014 0:03:17 GMT -5
I guess Peter Lenkov did give us some answers about Catherine. Not what I expected at all and I am really surprised. I'm sorry to say this but I don't think Catherine is ever coming back, especially if she said for Steve to move on with his life. Catherine's choice to stay and teach in Afghanistan after finding Najib is quite a storyline but at least she is not dead. If I were Catherine and had McGarrett waiting for me in O'ahu, I would catch a ride on C-130 just to get home to him, but that's just me. Then I would sponsor Najib and his family for U.S. citizenship. This sponsorship would guarantee the entire family's survival.
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Post by mandyblue on Nov 22, 2014 2:27:26 GMT -5
I am very, very disappointed with how Peter ended Cath Story. Catherine would rather stay in Afghanistan and teach than come back to Hawaii to be with Steve . This is making Cath the bad guy saying she dose not love Steve when for two season they were in love. This is just rubbish, I would rather Cath was killed at the end of season 4. Peter is so messing with so many characters this season I am slowly falling out of love for this show. If it was not for Alex I would have stopped watching this season. No wonder the rating are down.
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Post by davilarose on Nov 22, 2014 7:42:40 GMT -5
It was a good episode. Sad that Aunt Deb will be a widow soon---but she is happy and in love for now. Winding up the Catherine story line this way sucks. Seriously -she would rather stay in a war zone/hot spot full of men who think education for girls is a waste--and being taught by a female who is ex military and American? She must be laying really low to just survive. And who is going to get her Corvette?  I did enjoy Grover in this show. Way too little Kono. Danny's socks were rocking!  Wonder if the box is going to become a thing in a future ep. Maybe an ep where Steve and Danny need to go to New York City and there by visit New Jersey. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...... And now the door is open for Steve and Ellie to have a "thing"? I'm guessing they will start pursuing that story line after the holiday break. There was no mention of what happened to Steve in ep 7. They did have a nice healing scar on Steve's forehead, which I am sure will be gone by ep. 9--and since it looked pretty well healed up, I'm guessing it has been several weeks since ep, 7 in the timeline of the show. I guess we have to settle for mention of Catherine in this ep as opposed to mention of the beating and torture Steve went through recently. Also--as mandyblue state--the show is getting a bit crowded ---in future episodes they can use Jorge as background fluff like they did in last night's ep. Grover is a nice addition. Well-I think that is all for now---maybe more later when I actually wake up... |
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Post by binda23 on Nov 22, 2014 8:22:24 GMT -5
I loved this episode! It was heartwarming with the Aunt Deb story line(I just love Carol Burnett), it had an icky murder of the week that kept me guessing,very funny Danno lines (and those socks!!!), it had some closure(Cath) and super seal McG running and leaping over the trucks to take down the bad guy. Definitely could have used more Chin and Kono but overall a well balanced fun, and ultimately sad episode...I do hope they give Aunt Deb and Leo a reprieve...
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Post by cookiejar on Nov 22, 2014 11:39:46 GMT -5
I am very, very disappointed with how Peter ended Cath Story. Catherine would rather stay in Afghanistan and teach than come back to Hawaii to be with Steve . This is making Cath the bad guy saying she dose not love Steve when for two season they were in love. This is just rubbish, I would rather Cath was killed at the end of season 4. Peter is so messing with so many characters this season I am slowly falling out of love for this show. If it was not for Alex I would have stopped watching this season. No wonder the rating are down. So agree with you. Cath has absolutely adored Steve since season one and now we are suppose to believe she is going to stay in Afghanistan. Doesn't make sense. PL blew this whole Cath storyline from the start, first making her a regular and then making her part of the team. She could have become a regular but stayed in the Navy. Don't really want to see Steve with anyone else. Steve says he has had his heart broken by this but up until the time Cath left he never said he loved her although it was apparent. Guess I am sort of saying this is partly Steve's problem. |
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Post by northernspirit on Nov 22, 2014 12:29:02 GMT -5
I too was also surprised by the Cath mention and what she told Steve. It does feel like the end of that storyline, but I also couldn't help but wonder - after Steve said he loved her, during the wedding scenes at the end I wondered as they kept showing his face watching Deb & Leo if maybe he was reflecting on what love means/the importance of relationships, and with those two scenes taken together, as well as his supposed reflecting on all the mess with his family, maybe he will try to convince her to come back to the States, even if we just get it through conversation/dialogue? Although I don't have much confidence in Michelle Borth returning, except towards the series end, if we are going to reunite Steve and Cath then. That said, while I loved Cath and what she brought to the show, I'm OK with a single Steve moving forward - no need to bring on a new love interest.
I do think the mystery box is going to come back in future episodes - too much time was spent on that for it to just disappear in a locker.
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 22, 2014 15:20:55 GMT -5
I hate to be the voice of dissent but I don't really think Steve and Cath were anything more than friends with benefits for the first few seasons of the show. I think the relationship has been romanticized through fan fiction and, as I've sometimes done with other "facts", we've come to believe they were more to each other than we ever really saw. Their relationship was almost more competitive than romantic initially. In the tsunami episode, they're both awakened by phone calls and they race downstairs, competing to tell their caller how quickly they can be wherever it is that they have to be. Do they lovingly tell each other to be careful ... or have a good day ... or exchange endearments? Not really. It wasn't even until almost the end of season four that Steve told her he loved her. Yes, I understand that people liked them together but we've so blown the relationship out of proportion that a logical explanation of why she's not coming back has us angry ... well, actually not me. I've said before that I could take her or leave her and I think, under the circumstances of her departure, they gave the best explanation they could as to why Catherine, and by extension Michelle Borth, wouldn't be returning. Maybe PL truly wanted her to bring her back and was vetoed. CBS does own the show and regardless of what he might say ... we've left the door open ... well, someone else may be the one to have closed that door. Seriously, if people are so angry about this one thing that they're considering not watching anymore, I'm not sure that we were watching the same show. It's a police drama, not a romantic dramedy and, oh, by the way, he's a cop when romance doesn't get in the way.
I am truly sorry if I've offended anyone with this opinion. To me it was an insignificant part of the show and I'm just really amazed at the passionately negative response last night's "closure" has elicited. People have been upset because he's not saying anything or spending his spare time pining for her ... and now people are upset when he does say something. To their credit, I have to say that Steve's expression while Deb was singing said to me that maybe Cath thinks there's been closure but Steve really doesn't. I think it was clear what Alex was trying to convey in that scene ... Steve regrets the one that got away.
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Post by cookiejar on Nov 22, 2014 17:02:56 GMT -5
I hate to be the voice of dissent but I don't really think Steve and Cath were anything more than friends with benefits for the first few seasons of the show. I think the relationship has been romanticized through fan fiction and, as I've sometimes done with other "facts", we've come to believe they were more to each other than we ever really saw. Their relationship was almost more competitive than romantic initially. In the tsunami episode, they're both awakened by phone calls and they race downstairs, competing to tell their caller how quickly they can be wherever it is that they have to be. Do they lovingly tell each other to be careful ... or have a good day ... or exchange endearments? Not really. It wasn't even until almost the end of season four that Steve told her he loved her. Yes, I understand that people liked them together but we've so blown the relationship out of proportion that a logical explanation of why she's not coming back has us angry ... well, actually not me. I've said before that I could take her or leave her and I think, under the circumstances of her departure, they gave the best explanation they could as to why Catherine, and by extension Michelle Borth, wouldn't be returning. Maybe PL truly wanted her to bring her back and was vetoed. CBS does own the show and regardless of what he might say ... we've left the door open ... well, someone else may be the one to have closed that door. Seriously, if people are so angry about this one thing that they're considering not watching anymore, I'm not sure that we were watching the same show. It's a police drama, not a romantic dramedy and, oh, by the way, he's a cop when romance doesn't get in the way. I am truly sorry if I've offended anyone with this opinion. To me it was an insignificant part of the show and I'm just really amazed at the passionately negative response last night's "closure" has elicited. People have been upset because he's not saying anything or spending his spare time pining for her ... and now people are upset when he does say something. To their credit, I have to say that Steve's expression while Deb was singing said to me that maybe Cath thinks there's been closure but Steve really doesn't. I think it was clear what Alex was trying to convey in that scene ... Steve regrets the one that got away. I respectfully disagree that Steve and Cath were nothing more than friends with benefits. He admits to Deb he gave his heart away. He wouldn't be upset about Cath not coming back if he truly believes they were friends with benefits. I think they should leave the door open for Cath to return. Steve picking up with another woman is not going to end well - not only with Cath supporters but with all others since it seems no one has liked any woman that has come into his life. I do agree this is a police drama - let's leave Steve's love life in the background. Maybe mentioning he is not giving up on Cath and going on from there. It seems like whenever one of the team has a decent mate they get rid of her: Malia was a great partner for Chin but they killed her off. Danny calls it quits with Gabby - a professional, independent, sweet woman because she is leaving the island (problem with long distance romances?) and instead hooks him up with bimbo Amber (who fortunately isn't around anymore). What will they do to Kono and Adam? I can deal with Steve not having anyone right now but I cannot deal with them bringing someone else in. You know they are considering having Ellie in the role of Steve's girlfriend no matter what PL says. Let's go a whole season without Steve getting involved with any one. |
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Post by Dannos Dani on Nov 22, 2014 20:21:42 GMT -5
Not surprised that Cath isn't coming back. Considering how MBorth was treated on social media, and how poorly the character was being written, it was clear that she would not come back, unless it's for one of those final series finale moments where Steve is finally allowed to have a good life and a romance that works. Until then, I doubt any of the characters are going to have a successful romance, because it's so much more interesting for TV writing when they have fights and divorces/deaths and general nuptial mayhem. You can't have a totally happy main character, it'd be too boring. Personally, I don't mind if the Core Four find marital happiness. I just dislike the soap operas that go along on the road to said happiness (not to mention the seemingly inevitable breakup about one season after).
i was however suprised quite pleasantly by how much I enjoyed Frankie Vali as Leo. I don't know him as an actor, only a singer, but I really liked Leo and I'd love to have him and Deb back, telling everyone they're both OK and cancer-free. A duet would have been nice, too. How come only Carol got to sing?
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 22, 2014 21:19:33 GMT -5
Not surprised that Cath isn't coming back. Considering how MBorth was treated on social media, and how poorly the character was being written, it was clear that she would not come back, unless it's for one of those final series finale moments where Steve is finally allowed to have a good life and a romance that works. Until then, I doubt any of the characters are going to have a successful romance, because it's so much more interesting for TV writing when they have fights and divorces/deaths and general nuptial mayhem. You can't have a totally happy main character, it'd be too boring. Personally, I don't mind if the Core Four find marital happiness. I just dislike the soap operas that go along on the road to said happiness (not to mention the seemingly inevitable breakup about one season after).
i was however suprised quite pleasantly by how much I enjoyed Frankie Vali as Leo. I don't know him as an actor, only a singer, but I really liked Leo and I'd love to have him and Deb back, telling everyone they're both OK and cancer-free. A duet would have been nice, too. How come only Carol got to sing? I was actually wondering, when Aunt Deb started to sing, if they were going to have Leonard join in. But that might have been kinda schmaltzy. We know Aunt Deb's history is that she wanted to be a singer so it seemed appropriate for her. But can you imagine the dilemma ... we've got Frankie Valli! Do we have him sing, too??? Given the way H5-0 treats the "girlfriends", I kinda worry about Adam. I really like him and Kono together but will he suffer the same fate? Chin marries Malia and she dies. Steve finally, after almost a full four seasons of saying she wasn't his girlfriend, realizes he loves Cath and tells her when she's thousands of miles away and now has decided to stay there. We had a teaser about Danny and Rachel getting back together. Gabby would have been my choice for Danny. But I don't really mind Amber too much because she doesn't seem as flighty as I was expecting them to make her. I still keep expecting to find that she's running from something that will put her in danger and Danny will get caught up in that. We don't really know a whole lot about her except that she looks good in Danny's shirt. But, oh, please let Kono and Adam find happiness and not suffer the fate of any of the other couples! |
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Post by azziria on Nov 23, 2014 9:02:19 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this episode. Yes, the plot twist was a bit far-fetched, but it was saved for me by the way the two sons turned out to be honourable young men who clearly understood the value of things beyond money. And I loved, loved, loved the Steve and Danny banter this episode, it felt comfortable and not forced in any way. Grover seemed to fit in just right, too. Add to all this the fact that Steve just looked delectable all the way through, with the added bonus of the tux at the end, and yeah, this episode entertained me greatly. I'm really liking this season so far, and the cast seem to be enjoying themselves, too. I'm glad that they've finally put the Catherine issue to bed. I don't think that Steve is someone who would emote openly all over the place about his 'lost love', men like him tend to do the stiff upper lip thing around their mates and work colleagues, but it's right that he might talk to a close relative (and especially a female one) about her. I personally don't feel that Catherine's decision was out of character - the children need her more than Steve, however much he might love her, and it's in character for her (as it would be for Steve) to put the greater good over personal feelings. The show had to find a reason for her leaving and not coming back (given that it seems almost certain that Catherine's departure had less to do with the plot of the show than with outside circumstances) and they came up with something that seems reasonable to me (even if they did wait rather a lot of episodes before rolling it out!). My hope is that now that we know that Catherine's not coming back then maybe fandom can move on and there will be less nastiness all round. My one tiny, tiny WTF? was when Chin was following the kid to the motel: if you want to tail someone and remain unnoticed, surely you don't do it in a bright red-and-white muscle car?! A very minor gripe, though, because this is H50 and popcorn TV, not serious RL stuff |
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Post by katlyn520 on Nov 23, 2014 14:07:02 GMT -5
My one tiny, tiny WTF? was when Chin was following the kid to the motel: if you want to tail someone and remain unnoticed, surely you don't do it in a bright red-and-white muscle car?! A very minor gripe, though, because this is H50 and popcorn TV, not serious RL stuff LOL! That was my first thought about the car, too! But then I thought, if I suspiciously turned around to see if anyone was following me, would I even possibly think that the couple in the red Mustang were cops? Yeah, if he saw it multiple times he might get suspicious. But if that was the first time he saw the car, I'm not sure he'd be concerned. Really wondering why they gave him a Mustang when Ford is such a big sponsor of the show. They could have made it a vintage Camaro. Don't think they'd have wanted to give him a Corvette since that's what Cath drove. It does seem a little strange seeing that red car racing to a crime scene with all those other vehicles. It looks so out of place! |
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Post by Dannos Dani on Nov 23, 2014 14:59:33 GMT -5
azziria, I liked the plot twist. I was waiting for the cliché "lawyer did it", so to have it be the mom herself, was more original on the writers' part. Very sad, though.
Katlyn, my thoughts exactly on Frankie - how can you not have him sing? But I guess he may have wanted to concentrate on the acting, like Carol doing a serious role rather than a ditzy one.
I'm hoping they'll both be back - if Deb's cancer is better, why couldn't Leo's? If he gets better, there's a lot of material to exploit here in the future. Leo will have a longer lifespan, which he won't want the ex-bosses to shorten; and they could also be a threat to the love of his life. Anything that threatens Deb is going to bring Steve in, so that little brown-paper wrapped box definitely has a future on the show. H50 has an affinity for mysterious boxes.
Re girlfriends and boyfriends, it's rare for a relationship to do well on TV, so I never hold out much hope for them. When I was younger, I always wanted the main characters to get together, and hell, of course it's done on purpose, because the tension is great so TPTB will delay the getting-together as long as possible. Then they'll give the new couple a few episodes of happiness before the problems begin. Then we all want the couple to stay together against the odds. Then they either break up, or stay together, until the next problem arises and we go through it all again a couple of times, and then they break up and we all go through the angst of the breakup or death. It's like a formula TV follows. That's probably why I no longer care for TV romances, because I've seen the formula so many times I'm just tired of it.
So not holding up much hope for Adam and Kono. And we may yet see the breakups of Leilani and Chin and Max and what's-her-name, who I'm assuming are still on, although never mentioned. As for Danno and Amber, not wanting that storyline to rise up at any time, since I don't really like how they gave Danno such a young girlfriend, especially one played by an even younger actress who looks about as old as Monkey (and there was quite a bit of backlash about that from the fandom). Danno has been made to look ridiculous so much that the old "younger girlfriend who looks more like his daughter" plot is just too much.
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