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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 13, 2011 16:17:55 GMT -5
Ha, darksea is going to have us doing calculus next....
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Musicfreak on Oct 13, 2011 16:20:18 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAAA!!! NO way that's happening!!! You should see me trying to do statistics. It's pathetic.
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 13, 2011 16:21:27 GMT -5
geez, I still turn to my son when I have to figure the % so i can tip the waiter on a dinner tab.
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Post by Musicfreak on Oct 13, 2011 16:25:04 GMT -5
My first statistics class, my professor kept saying how she couldn't believe most younger students coming in to her class couldn't like add, multiply, divide, or subtract fractions, or decimals. And I just kind of put my head down, because I'm horrible at all of those things...I'm just not a math person. Never have been.  |
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Post by hollyladyyb on Oct 13, 2011 16:32:39 GMT -5
Darksea - I really wasn't trying to call you a liar!! And I said I didn't want a huge row or anything.
Can I ask you - and I am not trying to be nasty or argumentative - why do all these articles and people then tell us all the time about the demo being the most important thing?
Also re Moonlight etc I am not saying you are lying I am saying Nina Tassler and others are. For example on the 25th April Moonlight got a 2.1 rating. On the 19th October it got a 2.1. The week before that a 2.1. It never did a solid 2.7. In fact Bill Gorman wrote a long article about why the heck CBS kept saying to fans that they don't care about the demo when they do because they have to because the only thing that pays for a show is advertising. It was kind of cruel to the Moonlight fans as it gave them hope.
I wasn't nasty at all to you in my reply and didn't mean to be at all. I also think you were a little bit harsh with the other commentator who said they didn't know why people would just stop watching.
Sorry if I offended anyone I didn't mean to. I thought we wanted HFO to do well? That was certainly how it was all last year on the CBS board (which is now all weird and facebook log in required) Is it because people don't like the new direction they want it to do bad? I don't understand? I was just trying to reassure people.
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Post by darksea on Oct 13, 2011 17:18:55 GMT -5
You need to understand, a good majority of people do not want Lori Weston on the show. If the show is in fact keeping its ratings up, then there are those who want Lori to stay and certain execs who retort back to 'well the ratings weren't hurt by her, so how much damage can she be?'. If she is the reason for the ratings slip, then her expedition out is a virtual guarantee.
Many of the articles also state that the overall viewers are more important for renewal than the demographic. The demographic is important to being able to get money to produce the show, because of that being the 'desired target audience', but at the end of the day, when you have shows that close to each other, the final mass number is larger. The demo is very important for sponsorship, which in itself is basically paying for the show to be produced, and is what is killing soap operas off right and left.
Their final total demographic went around a 2.7. That probably comes from the extraneous ratings (DVRs, minor online viewings, etc.) But their amount of viewers was below its compeitition in both time slots. They never went above the 8.5 million mark while its competition had an equivalent demographic in both time slots, but 10 million viewers. The moment they went down to 7 million and held it there, the probation flew. The moment the demographic joined the ratings, cancellation.
As for the commentator who said they didn't know why people would just stop watching it is an individual who has caused issues before on this board.
You didn't offend, I truly hope that this doesn't impact your future posting on this board.
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Post by margarine on Oct 13, 2011 17:21:18 GMT -5
Please please please please, I am begging you guys, let this thing go. We know what we can do to help the show. We are not going to change the ratings unless we are able to influence people who are not watching the show to get on the bandwagon, or to encourage people who do watch the show to stick with it. We could have a parade and carry signs, but I doubt that's going to happen. These clashing figures mean nothing to me. They mean something to you, darksea, and holly, and sportsmom, and Diana, and maybe somebody else, but I'm with Dani and twassbrake, they make my head hurt, but the truly bad thing is that they make you guys mad at each other. Is it worth it? Does somebody win a prize if she can be proved right? I'll just skip reading the ratings threads and let you guys fight it out if you have to, but please, if you do, can you leave the arguments here and be friends on the other threads?
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Post by darksea on Oct 13, 2011 17:27:42 GMT -5
One other thing, even if you were going by demographics numbers, honestly, your total viewers will make you feel a lot more comfy.
Episode 1: 3.4 share 12 million
Episode 2: 3.3 share 11.388 million (1st half hr)
Episode 2: 3.2 share 10.738 million (2nd half hr)
Episode 3: 3.2 share 10.88 million
Episode 4: 2.6 share 9.742 million
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Post by darksea on Oct 13, 2011 17:29:57 GMT -5
Please please please please, I am begging you guys, let this thing go. We know what we can do to help the show. We are not going to change the ratings unless we are able to influence people who are not watching the show to get on the bandwagon, or to encourage people who do watch the show to stick with it. We could have a parade and carry signs, but I doubt that's going to happen. These clashing figures mean nothing to me. They mean something to you, darksea, and holly, and sportsmom, and Diana, and maybe somebody else, but I'm with Dani and twassbrake, they make my head hurt, but the truly bad thing is that they make you guys mad at each other. Is it worth it? Does somebody win a prize if she can be proved right? I'll just skip reading the ratings threads and let you guys fight it out if you have to, but please, if you do, can you leave the arguments here and be friends on the other threads? You actually want the ratings to go down if you want change. And actually these numbers are highly important to that change. This is not what caused the argument elsewhere, and honestly, this is debate, which is encouraged on the board. Dani is the one who wanted it cleared up. |
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Post by hollyladyyb on Oct 13, 2011 17:43:55 GMT -5
Hey Darksea - glad I didn't offend. So I get this right... You want the ratings to go down?
So that Lori goes? But what if they just cancel the show? That is what scares me? And they are weeks and weeks ahead on scripts and filming so even if she does go it will be so far into the future that she could take the whole thing down with her. And then I would be gutted. Very very gutted indeed.
I don't like her at all. But I don't want it to tank in the ratings - as they will get rid of it completely and then I have cut off my nose to spite my face - ha ha.
Also I wonder what they would do then? I mean they tried Jenna and people hated her so they got rid and now they've tried Lori but if they get rid of her they'll still try to find someone else because the main four were too tired. Scott and ALex actively moaned about it in interviews even, which is pretty rare. And it is well known that Alex actually got really ill a few times due to his immune system being knackered from the workload. Scott said he wanted some free time for a life so he was clearly not too happy. And DDK and Grace Park both didn't want even more filming hours. I think they've got a real problem now. Because we love the core four but they will lose the actors if they don't shorten their working hours.
I know because of how they film the show to get the really good quality production they do multi takes of every scene - over and over again which makes it longer than many other shows to get a scene in the can. And most other shows have a much wider cast to begin with. I suppose I am saying I have a horrible feeling they might have got themselves into a corner between what the fans want and what the cast are demanding?
By the way re the whole Lori issue - is there an actual address we can write to CBS at? I filled in the complaints form but I know an actual letter is the best way to go. Not that I want to get an actress sacked but I want to show how unhappy I am with how the character was introduced and the fact that the McDanno time is almost gone now?
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Post by Dannos Dani on Oct 13, 2011 18:31:07 GMT -5
Maybe they'll stop trying to shove a fifth member down our throats when it's clear one is not welcome.
As for the actors being tired, isn't the answer obvious? Use the recurring guests a bit more. Everyone loves Kamekona and Grace, Hot Fong, even Sang Min. Why not increase their time a bit? They're doing more Max and that isn't hurting at all. Use up some of those deleted scenes. Don't make them work and then not even use the material.
I asked the same thing, about the ratings going down, wouldn't the show be in trouble then? According to darksea CBS has too much invested to just throw the show away, so unless they take a total dip, we should be OK. What would be good (I think) is if they dip a bit when Lori is very prominent, and go up when she disappears (which seems impossible lately).
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Post by goldberry on Oct 13, 2011 18:43:02 GMT -5
And if they really feel the need to add characters, they could replace Laura Hills--the governor needed to anyway, but he chose to throw his candidate at 5-0--and have her be an interesting pain in the butt instead of the Orange Menace that is Lori Weston. (Of course, they need someone who can write female characters....)
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Post by hollyladyyb on Oct 13, 2011 18:50:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation Danni. So we need a slight dip - not a total massive tanking - for a few weeks so that Lori goes? I think I get it now.
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Post by sportsmom8 on Oct 13, 2011 18:59:35 GMT -5
Please please please please, I am begging you guys, let this thing go. We know what we can do to help the show. We are not going to change the ratings unless we are able to influence people who are not watching the show to get on the bandwagon, or to encourage people who do watch the show to stick with it. We could have a parade and carry signs, but I doubt that's going to happen. These clashing figures mean nothing to me. They mean something to you, darksea, and holly, and sportsmom, and Diana, and maybe somebody else, but I'm with Dani and twassbrake, they make my head hurt, but the truly bad thing is that they make you guys mad at each other. Is it worth it? Does somebody win a prize if she can be proved right? I'll just skip reading the ratings threads and let you guys fight it out if you have to, but please, if you do, can you leave the arguments here and be friends on the other threads? You actually want the ratings to go down if you want change. And actually these numbers are highly important to that change. This is not what caused the argument elsewhere, and honestly, this is debate, which is encouraged on the board. Dani is the one who wanted it cleared up. Totally on board with darksea on all counts, margarine. We're all good, just a good discussion about the ratings and interpreting the numbers - don't worry!  And for the record to my Reboot Ohana - my math skills in school were not my strong suit - so I still shake my head at where my career wound up all those years ago!  |
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Post by darksea on Oct 13, 2011 19:04:13 GMT -5
CBS is not going to cancel their multi-million dollar show, especially with their TNT deal, unless the ratings really tank. All you really want is a slight drop, just like with Jenna, that gives a slight indication that there is something wrong. With a real small drop, CBS will want to review why.
Now, as for the actors. I love Alex and the actors, but I have real small levels of sympathy for them, and they need to honestly grow a set. Alex is getting paid over $100,000 an episode. He's got the most screen time, still, they haven't backed up on him, and this ain't his first TV rodeo. They have 8 to 12 hour shooting days, and in many cases, get to sit down between set-ups, and do spend a lot of time going from shoot to shoot. He and Scott even get to bring their dogs to work, and they have time to play with them. Alex's immune system is compromised anyway, he's got asthma. He gets sick on every shoot, and rarely complains about it, he just trudges on through. (Please note his empassioned red-eyed performance in the S1 finale...he had a cold.)
Scott Caan needs to man up, seriously. These are the things that come with working in TV. The shooting schedules are definitely grueling, but he already knew that too, with Entourage.
DDK hasn't been complaining all that much, he's been very happy to remain in Hawaii and working. He's getting his time cut, and he didn't want it to, and they could utilize him far more.
Grace Park needs to grow up. She also had a TV shooting schedule before too, she isn't getting a lot of air or time, she bitches and moans about being there, when she should be happy that she has a job. There are tons of actors who aren't as fortunate. You know the guys who really have the never-ending jobs? The people who work behind the scenes, the production assistants, the grips, the scene setters, they put in close to 20 hours a day, straight. They don't have breaks. They don't sit around waiting for set-up, they are the ones setting up.
This is a show that literally took epic legends and gave them a smattering, a teeny tiny bit of screen time, when they could expand easily on the guest roles, the recurring roles, connect us a bit more with the victims, spread the roles out, replace overly whiny actors/actresses who can handle the screen time. Spread time around your already existing actors. It's interesting, but the actors from NCIS, NCIS: LA, CSI, Law and Order (etc.) Criminal Minds, etc all work in crappier environments instead of paradise, work more hours per week because pre-set shots take more time than on location because they are trying to get those done faster, and a set you don't, you can get multiple shots, and yet, very little complaints from them other than wanting to be paid more.
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