Ratings of Ep. 204 - Mea Makamae

[hollyladyyb]

I'm relieved you don't think they'll cancel - I thought you were maybe saying these ratings were very very bad. But I think I get now that you mean they aren't good - but they are not cancel levels at all just - tweak the show and get it back on track levels. I don't want to lose it because I just love it so much.

As for Alex I can't say a bad word about the man after a friend of mine met him. An online friend - but who I have known for years. And said he was without a doubt the nicest most down to earth man - never mind celeb - she's ever met. I didn't know he got sick on every shoot. Do you know him at all? As you work in the industry?

I love DDK too and Grace. Scott I love as Danny but not so sure about Scott Caan he can seem a little moody in interviews etc.

[darksea]

Toooooootally agree about Scott being a little moody. I don't want to lose it either. I need an Alex fix.

As a person, I adore Alex. Never met him, got the signed photo, and such. I do consultation work for the TV and film industry. Have a few individuals who have worked with him, and know him, in real life, and he's a really cool guy, who doesn't complain. He really does get sick for shoots, and because he does a lot of his own stunts, he does get hurt as well, which doesn't help, in addition to his smoking habit which continues to be his personal demon.

DDK is awesome. Grace is the one who publicly complained, several times in almost every interview about the shooting schedule and being away from home. I am not liking her very much right now, because there are so many actresses that need a job right now, like, desperately, and her character is the one who had the least amount of time on screen and filmed all S1.

I will tell you how far I would even be willing to go: if Lenkov got rid of Lori, I would recruit my rear off (already am) to line people up to watch, and of course, when I say people, I mean people that they count with the Watch Boxes, and Journals, to beat Castle. But as long as the Alien Fungus Amongus is there, it isn't going to happen.

Now, if you would like to snail mail in, check out the Smart Table forum here on this board, and then go to the "I'm Going to Hell Address Thread", there are a list of addresses on the first post in the thread that you can register your concerns with.

CBS is spending close to a million an episode or more, this is one they will give a chance, considering its performance and the fact that it occupies a World Book of Records notation. CBS should have really moved it away from Castle's time slot, and the Monday Sports Curse. As long as the show doesn't go below 8 million viewers there is still not worry, just a lot of concern.

Now, because of the Baseball overrun that pushed House right into the 10 pm time slot, this week's ratings are really not even valid.

[katlyn520]

On the subject of moving H5-0 to another time slot, what do you think would be the right one? When The Good Wife was moved to Sunday, I thought that Tuesday slot would have been perfect for H5-0 but they gave it to a new show. I've wondered from the very beginning why they gave it a string of comedies as a lead-in. So ... just curious ... if they DID move it away from Castle's time slot, where would you like to see them move it?

[darksea]

If I were to pick, I would have moved it to Tuesday after NCIS:LA. It's actually IMO, a perfect fit with the two NCIS dramas, and seeing as there is an upcoming crossover episode with NCIS:LA, it only just verifies it. It would have been up against Parenthood (not that great of a performer, of course, all programming on NBC has gone poopoo) and Body of Proof, which is the larger performer in the time slot. It would also not be running into Monday Night Football, as well as many of the Playoffs, and would be following two of CBS's highest dramas. Many who tune in for the comedies are generally not tuning in for the dramas at the end of the evening. That may have worked for NBC for decades, but it is kinda old school now.

[okie27]

Maybe a request on CBS's feedback page, would at least get them thinking about changing days. Or is that too much work for people to do???! I actually never thought about changing days but what would cause an show to do that. Why did the good wife move to another day?

[hollyladyyb]

Hey Darksea. What did it get in Guniess book of records?

I totally agree on time slot. I was gobsmacked when they put it Monday nights at ten after all the money the'd spent on it and the promo's etc. Very odd.

Olkie - they might HAVE to consider moving it next year - IF it does good this year. I doubt Unforgettable will stay around. And POI looks weak. So it might be that they finally want to move a show that has some audience of its own to that Tuesday night slot. I remember last year a guy called John Folden - who does a lot of stuff around trying to save shows that get cancelled etc. He is supposed to know a bit about it all and he said he was so shocked that CBS didn't either start HFO in a better tie slot or once they gave it a second season didn't move it - very odd.

BTW - My two friends who still work in advertising sales at the tv and radio station have been made redundant I have found out. Not getting enough sales in to keep as many staff on. Things do look cut throat right now. Viewers down across the board and this terrible economy. It is scary.

[darksea]

It got in Guiness for...and get this...highest number of viewers for a new show. (The episode that aired post Super Bowl)

I knew that CBS was not going to move Hawaii Five O, because it did so well for the first part of its season. Last year, Castle had a later debut time, as did Dancing with the Stars. Hawaii Five O performed well in the time slot, and kept nose to nose with Castle most of the year, even winning by a very narrow margin a couple of times. It was only after they came back from the hiatus, and after the Super bowl, that CBS screwed the pooch, and began to do to H50 what it did to Moonlight, and several other of its shows: it pulled back its on-air advertising, threw in a slew of reruns (because they were having to do a rewrite) and would throw a new episode in sporadically. Few people even knew that it was on. In the second half of the season, there were two ratings high points which kept the show in place: the finale and the Puffy episode. So it really wasn't that much of a shocker that it didn't move if you followed the logic behind it like most show savers do.

Adding Lori was supposed to up the ratings, adding more eye candy, because our watching demographic for this show, is 18-49....female. They wanted more males, and more viewers, so they started their little Sci-Fi reunion with bringing in members of Lost and Heroes, they are trying to pull in ratings from NCIS:LA/NCIS watchers with bringing Kensi in. And they tried to bring an actress, who is pretty hot over in MTV land as a scream queen as another member of the team. Even bringing in Chuck Lidell for the MMA episode is an attempt to reach out to the boys. That demographic is actually over at Castle, and of course, watching Wrestling which airs on USA Network in the same slot.

Okie, for now, I would concentrate on the Lori issue, the timeslot thing is another battle for another day.

[hollyladyyb]

I thought Castle was even more female than us and older? Not more male? That has surprised me.

They are doing all this and they should just give it TIME. Let it settle. Criminal Minds which is a huge hit for them now was not a huge hit at first. Nor was NCIS. It took until season four for both shows to find their groove and syndication was the thing that made them so huge. In fact CM nearly got cancelled in season three. So why can't they let HFO find it's feet? Give it some time. I think they are panicking and messing everything up. They are seeing the CSI's get old. None of their new shows this year are hits at all. SO they want to push HFO into being the new CSI or something but they mess it up totally doing that.

How can you get Neilsen households to tune in? Congrats on getting it in the Guiness Book of Records lol.

[darksea]

Lenkov is the type of producer who wants everything done and he wants it done now. He is following his show vision with nearly panic levels, trying to get 12 years worth of storyline shoved into a neat tight row.

Yep, Castle actually has a higher male following, because of their lead actress. They have male AND older but not by all that much. Monday night is now 'chick night' on broadcast TV because of wrestling and football.

NCIS and Criminal Minds have one other thing in common: their show runners ended up being replaced. NCIS found its groove after Harmon had it out with Bellesario.

You can get Neilsen households to tune in by grassroots campaigns, good old fashioned encouragement, and having a pretty good idea who is in that elite little club. (This definitely ain't my first rodeo in show saving/changing) CBS is the one who got it into the Guinness Book of Records, we all just happened to stay tuned after the Super Bowl.

[hollyladyyb]

Wow darksea. Do people ever do it the other way to try and get shows dropped. Like telling people not to watch etc.

Were you involved in Moonlight at all? Do you think they can change HFO quickly enough to not lose all their fans?

[darksea]

You'd be surprised, there are some individuals with a major hate for a show. But for the most part, the show will do that to itself. It's kind of like voter registration sometimes.

I was involved with Moonlight in a limited capacity, I was still cleaning up from Jericho when Moonlight hit.

Well, last year, they changed H50 pretty quickly when James MacArthur died, he was supposed to come in a story arc that was supposed to give some hints into Steve's past, but then he died, and other stories had to be injected. So, they may be able to change it here as well.

[hollyladyyb]

I didn't even know about James McArthur being meant to be in it lol. Yeah it does seem a little mean to do it the other way around to me. I mean hating something so much you try to get it off air seems a bit over the top lol.
I LOVED Jericho. Was upset when it got taken off the air.

[Dannos Dani]

Isn't moving a show usually a sign that they're getting desperate to make it do better? I mean, move a show and people begin to snicker that it must be on its last legs....darksea, had to laugh when you mentioned the scifi get-together.... Hoochie fits right in then!

[darksea]

Not all the time, though in CSI's case, that is soooooo the case. Sometimes they will move a show just to give it a better strategic vantage point, like Bones and Fringe. (though they had better watch their rears with Fringe, that is dropping people like flies now)

Hoochie fits into the sci-fi get together only if the show were Roswell.

[ateofi]

Oct 12, 2011 10:12:37 GMT -5 darksea said:

Because people are fans of the Hawaii Five O, not the show that it has become. Remember, it's supposed to be entertainment. If you are not entertained, then you're not going to watch.

It's really not up to you to judge the criteria of who is a fan and who is not.

The show it has become?!!! How many episodes were aired so far? Four! And season will have 24. And somehow after watching 2 episodes without Kono and little less Danny Steve bromance, suddenly the show isn't fun?! Well, for me, the show has been great fun so far. The 2 millions people who were lost after premiere are not fans. Sorry if I sound judmental to you but that's my opinion. You just don't abandon your favourite show after 2 weaker episodes. Besides, it was widely announced that changes people complain about (90% of them concern Lori and lack of Kono and less"bromance") are only for initial episodes. We will have Kono back in episode 6 (she is out for only 3 episodes), Joe will be there for 9 episodes and Lori will be recurring and certainly she will have less screentime that in current instalments. Unfortunately people are obsessing too much about Lori instead of enjoying Monday evening fun, different kind of fun with different team dynamics I agree, but STILL FUN!