maxis
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Post by maxis on Sept 25, 2012 12:47:42 GMT -5
Ouch. Year 1 had something special. I encourage the writers to study year 1. I'd like more of the team cleverly unraveling crimes with just the right amount of action, less over the top action and less soap opera.
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Post by joekido on Sept 25, 2012 13:23:33 GMT -5
I hope these numbers slap Lenkov hard enough to get him to realize that his writing and his way of running things sucks so hard that he needs to hire better writers and get rid of the current main storyline.
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Post by sunnyirish08 on Sept 25, 2012 13:27:04 GMT -5
yikes. ouch  i really like this show, so i'm hoping that those ratings improve. |
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Post by biochemgeek on Sept 25, 2012 13:50:05 GMT -5
Ouch.
I agree with what cookiejar said. There was a lot of personal stories in S1 to go with the crime solving, but the show was new and fresh and exciting, and the personal stories hadn't yet got soap-operaish. I think S2 in general, and perhaps "Mom!" in particular might have turned fans off. Combine that with much stronger lead-in material for both Castle and Revolution, as well as the newness of Revolution, and some people may have jumped ship.
For cost-cutting, I agree cut the special effects a bit and dial back on stunt casting. I enjoyed James Caan, Patty Duke, Henry Fonda, Ed Asner, but it doesn't make or break the show for me if they aren't on it. And the big helicopter jailbreak was ridiculous and unnecessary, they could have saved money there and made it a little more realistic.
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Post by margarine on Sept 25, 2012 14:56:34 GMT -5
Like in the discussion thread, some excellent observations here and I hope the producers are listening in.
For me, likewise dump the stunt casting, it doesn't accomplish much anyway. Scott's dad was fabulous, and Jimmy Buffet, and they were both playing to their strengths, but a lot of the other characters played by names, well, who cared? Sean Combs? Big deal, he didn't do that good a job. And so on.
Agreed about the personal storylines and dangerous soapiness. Pare it back, concentrate on one at a time or something, there's too much going on.
I just watched the 2nd Revolution episode this morning, and it was a big fat wake-up call. Great show. They will have trouble with this one. Smash was nothing. Diana is right, too, about another time slot, it's tricky, but I don't expect much from Vegas. There's just been too many desperate attempts at doing the 60s, and the show just looks too grim for me. I don't want to watch it, but there isn't anything else on, surprise! I don't care about Private Practice or Parenthood either.
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Post by Diana on Sept 25, 2012 15:53:28 GMT -5
Oh Joy of all Joy. The final numbers are even worse than the prelims from this morning.
NBC Revolution 3.4 (18-49 Demo) 9.21 (Million Viewers)
ABC Castle 2.1 (18-49 Demo) 10.45 (Million Viewers)
CBS Hawaii Five-0 1.8 (18-49 Demo) 8.06(Million Viewers)
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Post by sanmars on Sept 25, 2012 16:36:30 GMT -5
Help me out here. Aren't you suppose to have a machine connected to your TV so they can count the number of people watching the different show?
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dobie
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Post by dobie on Sept 25, 2012 16:47:39 GMT -5
I have seen many comments saying even though the ratings were not good for the premiere, it does not matter because they have a syndication deal. Personally, syndication deal or not, I do not think that CBS is real happy with those kind of numbers.
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Post by joekido on Sept 25, 2012 17:02:20 GMT -5
yikes. ouch i really like this show, so i'm hoping that those ratings improve. That would depend on who is writing the episode and how it's written. If it was written with cliches and action-chessiness riddled with plotholes then it won't improve. This is why I made a suggestion long ago that to make this series good they had to look at the original series. Even the series was over 40 years old it proved that you don't need mindless action to make it good. Plus using a classic element from the original series and twist it to a modern standard won't hurt. If the writer has characters act human and use clever ways to solve the crime and make the story unpredictable and less cliche then he's a good writer. |
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Post by chazak on Sept 25, 2012 20:51:42 GMT -5
I think a significant cut in the special effects budget would be good for the show. It feels like the show is being written for the effects rather than the other way around. If I want to be wowed by special effects, I go to the movies. I follow TV shows for characters and plot lines. Both of which have been sorely lacking in comparison to season 1. Maybe not being able to blow as much up or dangle armored vehicles from helicopters would force the writers to come up with better scripts.
I'm not sure why I'm feeling quite so down on H50 at the moment. Last night felt like an all-around spectacular acting job wasted by the writers and producers. I was so dismayed by the way they ended the Malia storyline and the ridiculous Wo Fat escape that I almost turned it off.
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Post by margarine on Sept 25, 2012 21:19:28 GMT -5
You've got a point, chaz. I'm usually all in favor of blow-stuff-up, I really enjoy it, but you can't just do it all the time, not every plotline calls for it. It's funny, we have a dilemma: Some of us object to an overabundance of CSI-type sleuthing; some, to soapy stuff; some, to this escalation of blow-stuff-up. And more. We hope that the producers and writers listen to the fans, but then maybe they're so susceptible that they'll go overboard in one direction or the other. Now that you bring this up it occurs to me that the episodes with the most similarities to this one are 210 and 222. We really liked all the blow-stuff-up and shoot-stuff-up in those. Are they giving us more of what they think we want?
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chazak
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Post by chazak on Sept 25, 2012 21:52:19 GMT -5
You've got a point, chaz. I'm usually all in favor of blow-stuff-up, I really enjoy it, but you can't just do it all the time, not every plotline calls for it. It's funny, we have a dilemma: Some of us object to an overabundance of CSI-type sleuthing; some, to soapy stuff; some, to this escalation of blow-stuff-up. And more. We hope that the producers and writers listen to the fans, but then maybe they're so susceptible that they'll go overboard in one direction or the other. Now that you bring this up it occurs to me that the episodes with the most similarities to this one are 210 and 222. We really liked all the blow-stuff-up and shoot-stuff-up in those. Are they giving us more of what they think we want? Maybe, but you'd think it wouldn't be too hard to figure out that in TV, too much of anything is bad. Because hey, that applies everywhere else in life, too. I love Flaming Hot Cheetos. That doesn't mean I want to eat them every day at every meal, because I'd have constant stomach aches. Surely the writers should be able to see that? |
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Post by goldberry on Sept 25, 2012 21:58:48 GMT -5
Okay, this is going to sound like a Jedi (which I don't actually mind doing), but you have to have balance. More of something is not always good. Obviously not everyone likes the same things, but we all liked season one enough to come back for season two. Lenkov needs to do season one each season, but with new stories. Is that a big "duh"?
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Post by Diana on Sept 25, 2012 22:01:28 GMT -5
You've got a point, chaz. I'm usually all in favor of blow-stuff-up, I really enjoy it, but you can't just do it all the time, not every plotline calls for it. It's funny, we have a dilemma: Some of us object to an overabundance of CSI-type sleuthing; some, to soapy stuff; some, to this escalation of blow-stuff-up. And more. We hope that the producers and writers listen to the fans, but then maybe they're so susceptible that they'll go overboard in one direction or the other. Now that you bring this up it occurs to me that the episodes with the most similarities to this one are 210 and 222. We really liked all the blow-stuff-up and shoot-stuff-up in those. Are they giving us more of what they think we want? Here is my thing, I don't mind the blowing things up if it makes sense in terms of the characters and storylines. My problem last night was that we really didn't need a helo with a large claw on it, in order for Wo Fat to escape. I mean Wo Fat has been presented a very powerful man that has many resources at hand that could have helped him escaped in a more simplistic way that would have fitted his character better. Now when Steve jumped out of the plane in episode 203 in order to save the SEAL, that stunt made sense given that Steve is a SEAL and as a SEAL he would have had hundreds of hours of experience doing HALO (High Altitude Low Opening) jumps. I guess what it really comes down to is balance. We want a balance of drama, action, adventure, bromance, core 4 ohana moments, personal storylines, and romance presented in storylines that don't have plot holes in them that are big enough that you could fly a helicopter with a claw attached to a armored truck through them. Honestly, I think that is probably the biggest difference between Season 1 and Season 2. Season 1 had a nice balance of not only all those things but also giving all four leads time to shine. Then season 2 came along and the addition of the 5th team member threw everything out of balance and the writers have been swinging from one extreme to the next without ever regain any sort of balance. Oh, and every now and again a resolution to one the many dangling storylines would be nice too.  |
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Post by Diana on Sept 25, 2012 22:04:21 GMT -5
Okay, this is going to sound like a Jedi (which I don't actually mind doing), but you have to have balance. More of something is not always good. Obviously not everyone likes the same things, but we all liked season one enough to come back for season two. Lenkov needs to do season one each season, but with new stories. Is that a big "duh"? Okay Goldberry, were you doing a Jedi mind trick on me??? Or was I doing one on you??  As it appears we were both writing about balance at the same time. ;D |
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i really like this show, so i'm hoping that those ratings improve. 
As it appears we were both writing about balance at the same time. ;D
