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Post by goldberry on Sept 25, 2012 22:22:55 GMT -5
Okay, this is going to sound like a Jedi (which I don't actually mind doing), but you have to have balance. More of something is not always good. Obviously not everyone likes the same things, but we all liked season one enough to come back for season two. Lenkov needs to do season one each season, but with new stories. Is that a big "duh"? Okay Goldberry, were you doing a Jedi mind trick on me??? Or was I doing one on you??  As it appears we were both writing about balance at the same time. ;D LOLOLOL! Either way, it's amazing! I think many of us are saying the same thing, just in different ways. They got it right in season one and then they lost it. Or some of it, anyway. We just want them to find it again. Soon. |
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Post by margarine on Sept 25, 2012 22:39:14 GMT -5
Diana, I really like the ratings graphics you put up! (And they don't take so much time to load like the videos do.)
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Post by biochemgeek on Sept 25, 2012 23:00:41 GMT -5
Well said, young padawans. Balance in all things. ;D
Seriously, I think part of the problem is that the long-running plot line has gotten too convoluted too quickly. It's actually not that unusual for series to start jumping the shark in this way, it's just that it usually takes a bit longer than this. The X-files mythology got so nuts I couldn't keep it straight any more, but I think it took 5 or 6 seasons to get there. House started going over the top, but not until S6 or S7. ER became a soap opera in...um...was it S6 when Carter got stabbed and then hooked on drugs?
That said, I'm now going to play devil's advocate a bit. Yes the helicopter claw was ridiculous (who else was picturing the little green Toy Story aliens whispering "ooh nirvana"?). And they spent a lot of time on very angsty personal story lines. But they'd set those up in the cliffhanger, so they really did have to spend some time resolving them. It's only the first episode of S3! I'm hoping, and kind of expecting, them to get back to some regular crime solving in the upcoming episodes. Hopefully we'll still get some of the balance we all crave.
And I still think the biggest problem with the previous 5th team member, other than immediately giving her almost as much screen time as Alex, was the fact they hired a twit who can't act and can't do action. So far, with Catherine, she can act, she can do action (IMO), and she was barely in the episode. It's early days and we'll see how things go, but they're starting her off well.
Sorry, I'm rambling a bit. Hope this made sense.
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Post by Dannos Dani on Sept 25, 2012 23:35:28 GMT -5
My worry is that given that the opening episode, which is usually a big draw, was so low, how can we expect viewership to go up in subsequent episodes? I expected them to drop some from the other seasons, but this was a horrific fall.
I don't see new viewers tuning in, because they won't have the background info to go on, so nothing will make too much sense to them. It's not quite as bad as jumping in the middle of Alias or Lost, but still...
Unfortunately the Forgettable Fifteen made a lot of viewers turn off - I don't know that they will be back.
And the stupid arguing back and forth about Cath joining the cast/team is so comparable to the Bori fiasco that it might have turned off even more viewers who just couldn't be bothered to go through it all and gave up without giving it a chance.
So how are the numbers going to go up? Even if Revolution becomes a dud in later episodes, will viewers come back/turn in?
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Post by sunnyirish08 on Sept 26, 2012 2:08:19 GMT -5
people are calling for season one type show, fine, sort of agree with that, but gotta let this show and characters develop a bit as well. it's only the first episode of the new season. i personally loved monday night show, it had my interest the entire time. ok, the escape was a ott. here's hoping the ratings will ether come back up a bit.
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Post by gbird on Sept 26, 2012 3:08:47 GMT -5
I agree with what some of you have said about the Wo Fat escape, for me it was the first time I have thought that one of the stunts was over the top and it was a long scene . I have to admit I was watching it thinking "yeah yeah he is escaping get on with it" , because I wanted to get back to the other storyline that really held my interest . I thought it flowed nicely and didnt feel as rushed as 201 I still have high hopes for the season and am hopeful that the ratings will come back up because I love this show .  |
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Post by baxtersgal on Sept 26, 2012 9:38:20 GMT -5
These ratings numbers are a bit scary. Yesterday, there was discussion in my office about Revolution -- everyone younger than 45 was watching that, having come off the "best show on TV" (their words) -- The Voice. With NBC now giving some real competition, the H50 gang is going to have to really pull it together.
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Post by goldberry on Sept 26, 2012 9:57:39 GMT -5
Sunny, I'm not suggesting that that characters stay as they were in Season one, I'm saying that in season one the many elements were more balanced than in season 2. If TPTB want to get the ratings up, tney are going to have to go back to what worked in season one, to some extent.
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Post by Leni on Sept 26, 2012 11:11:11 GMT -5
I was trying to find the clip of RO and PL with the HNN interview at SOTB (Its right before Alex gets on the platform with them ) RO spoke about ratings and said that the ratings system is so antiquated that it should not be a factor. The show is so popular all over the world and that should count for something.Whether they were joking or serious, I have to agree. I realize that the numbers are a gage for the advertisers and the networks, but when you have three major networks and a gazillion cable channels all chasing viewers + DVRs + On Demand + online, it gets a little inaccurate. I can tell you that in my household there are at least 4 different channels being viewed at any given time. Unless "they" can monitor every TV in every house, how accurate can it be?
Having a background in Public Relations, I can tell you that Nina Tassler showing up at SOTB on the same day as the EMMY's is a BIG deal. I think between Alex's absence last season, the soundstage being sold, Rumors that PL was leaving (he clarified that he is not), etc, It shows that CBS is supporting the show.
After watching SOTB live (did not intend to but "work" got in the way) I can say that the cast was very relaxed. This is the first time that I have heard the entire cast praise each other so much. I know that they have always gotten along, but it seemed more obvious this time. They each made a point to show that they were unified and to me that is important. I just wish that Grace and Scott were there. Scott had an excuse and no one can blame him for not being there, but we never got an explanation for Grace. We don't need one (probably personal) and yes, rumors were flying, but it would have been nice.
Overall, I believe TPTB are somewhat aware of the threat that Revolution and Castle are to H50 and are trying to make it clear that they are going to stick around anyway. IMO.
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Post by marquis74 on Sept 26, 2012 11:38:21 GMT -5
Don't forget Monday Night Football and the s*** surrounding the referees. That may have an effect on the ratings.
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Post by Musicfreak on Sept 26, 2012 13:40:34 GMT -5
I was trying to find the clip of RO and PL with the HNN interview at SOTB (Its right before Alex gets on the platform with them ) RO spoke about ratings and said that the ratings system is so antiquated that it should not be a factor. The show is so popular all over the world and that should count for something.Whether they were joking or serious, I have to agree. I realize that the numbers are a gage for the advertisers and the networks, but when you have three major networks and a gazillion cable channels all chasing viewers + DVRs + On Demand + online, it gets a little inaccurate. I can tell you that in my household there are at least 4 different channels being viewed at any given time. Unless "they" can monitor every TV in every house, how accurate can it be? Having a background in Public Relations, I can tell you that Nina Tassler showing up at SOTB on the same day as the EMMY's is a BIG deal. I think between Alex's absence last season, the soundstage being sold, Rumors that PL was leaving (he clarified that he is not), etc, It shows that CBS is supporting the show. After watching SOTB live (did not intend to but "work" got in the way) I can say that the cast was very relaxed. This is the first time that I have heard the entire cast praise each other so much. I know that they have always gotten along, but it seemed more obvious this time. They each made a point to show that they were unified and to me that is important. I just wish that Grace and Scott were there. Scott had an excuse and no one can blame him for not being there, but we never got an explanation for Grace. We don't need one (probably personal) and yes, rumors were flying, but it would have been nice. Overall, I believe TPTB are somewhat aware of the threat that Revolution and Castle are to H50 and are trying to make it clear that they are going to stick around anyway. IMO. These ratings make me so sad.  I know the difference between good ratings, and bad ratings. But what none of us know, unless we can read minds, is what CBS and Nina Tassler is thinking. I have to say Ircam, that I was watching the live stream of SOTB as well, and when they announced Nina Tassler was there, and after hearing all she had to say, it was so positive and reassuring! After seeing these horrible ratings (which we do have to take with a grain of salt re: unreliable/inaccurate ratings, the competing shows, etc.) I'm so worried. I really wish I could read Nina's mind, and I'm hoping and praying that the ratings will go up. As Di touched on in an earlier response, I think it might have been to H50's advantage to move to Tuesday night's. Especially after the crossover with NCISLA! I'm really wishing that they would have done that. The only reason I wouldn't say to move it to Thursday night's, is because of Thursday Night Football (which I believe will be all season). Praying for a ratings boost. This is scary. |
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Post by Diana on Sept 26, 2012 14:14:25 GMT -5
Diana, I really like the ratings graphics you put up! (And they don't take so much time to load like the videos do.) Margarine -- Thanks. Make sure to scroll to the bottom of the page also, as that is where the graphics for the DVR numbers will be posted when they start coming out in a couple of weeks. And if you want to keep track as to how H50 is doing as compared to Season 1 and Season 2 check out the Historical Ratings Sub-board as it to has the Live Ratings graphics at the top and the DVR Ratings at the bottom. |
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Post by Musicfreak on Sept 26, 2012 14:21:13 GMT -5
Diana, I really like the ratings graphics you put up! (And they don't take so much time to load like the videos do.) Margarine -- Thanks. Make sure to scroll to the bottom of the page also, as that is where the graphics for the DVR numbers will be posted when the start coming out in a couple of weeks. And if you want to keep track as to how H50 is doing as compared to Season 1 and Season 2 check out the Historical Ratings Sub-board as it to has the Live Ratings graphics at the top and the DVR Ratings at the bottom. Yes, the charts are a very nice addition, Di! ;D |
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Post by Diana on Sept 26, 2012 14:42:05 GMT -5
I was trying to find the clip of RO and PL with the HNN interview at SOTB (Its right before Alex gets on the platform with them ) RO spoke about ratings and said that the ratings system is so antiquated that it should not be a factor. The show is so popular all over the world and that should count for something.Whether they were joking or serious, I have to agree. I realize that the numbers are a gage for the advertisers and the networks, but when you have three major networks and a gazillion cable channels all chasing viewers + DVRs + On Demand + online, it gets a little inaccurate. I can tell you that in my household there are at least 4 different channels being viewed at any given time. Unless "they" can monitor every TV in every house, how accurate can it be? Having a background in Public Relations, I can tell you that Nina Tassler showing up at SOTB on the same day as the EMMY's is a BIG deal. I think between Alex's absence last season, the soundstage being sold, Rumors that PL was leaving (he clarified that he is not), etc, It shows that CBS is supporting the show. After watching SOTB live (did not intend to but "work" got in the way) I can say that the cast was very relaxed. This is the first time that I have heard the entire cast praise each other so much. I know that they have always gotten along, but it seemed more obvious this time. They each made a point to show that they were unified and to me that is important. I just wish that Grace and Scott were there. Scott had an excuse and no one can blame him for not being there, but we never got an explanation for Grace. We don't need one (probably personal) and yes, rumors were flying, but it would have been nice. Overall, I believe TPTB are somewhat aware of the threat that Revolution and Castle are to H50 and are trying to make it clear that they are going to stick around anyway. IMO. I don't doubt for a moment that CBS is behind the show especially given that CBS is the one who produces the show and with the TNT syndication deal in place they are the ones who would will be receiving a nice infusion of cash from it. So it is most assuredly in CBS's best interest for the show to definitely stay on the air at least long enough to fulfill it syndication deal. That being said though, there is nothing to keep CBS from moving it to either Friday Night or my nightmare beyond all nightmares Sunday Night, when it is totally impossible to set your DVR to record it because you never know how much of a overrun that Football is going to have every week, in order to mark time until they get enough episodes to fulfill their syndication deal. One a bright note though, it appears that the Canadian viewers came through as H50 won the night up there and Vegas isn't off to a stellar a start in the ratings down here so there may still be hope if winds up being moved that Tuesday at 10pm might be open. Of course, it is still going to be a couple more weeks until we see where everything settles out and how much of a drop off these new shows wind up having. Let's just pray that Revolution has a huge drop off over the next couple of weeks and that those viewers will filter back into H50's camp and we haven't lost them forever like Dani mentioned or we could be in for quite a few stressful Tuesday mornings over the next 8 months. |
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Post by sunnyirish08 on Sept 26, 2012 15:00:18 GMT -5
ahhhh Canada i love thee right now  pity we won't find out the numbers for the uk and ireland. because that won't happen until January at the latest. and to be honest people having the advantage of being able to download the show. so that might not help. i think it wouldn't be a bad move to move to tuesday night, ncis have 20 million and ncis la close behind viewer nearly every tuesday, might help, although wouldn't panic yet ether folks, it's only the first episode, give it time for every thing to settle. |
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As it appears we were both writing about balance at the same time. ;D
I know the difference between good ratings, and bad ratings. But what none of us know, unless we can read minds, is what CBS and Nina Tassler is thinking. I have to say Ircam, that I was watching the live stream of SOTB as well, and when they announced Nina Tassler was there, and after hearing all she had to say, it was so positive and reassuring! After seeing these horrible ratings (which we do have to take with a grain of salt re: unreliable/inaccurate ratings, the competing shows, etc.) I'm so worried. I really wish I could read Nina's mind, and I'm hoping and praying that the ratings will go up. 
